Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

To: HossB86
Can you reconcile CCC 969's claim of Mary being a "mediatrix" with 1 Timothy 2:5? Do you stand with or against God? If you say 969 is correct, you deny God's inspired and inerrant word; if you deny 969, you deny Rome.

The Caths reply would be the Mary is the heavenly mediator btwn men and Christ, which is just another of the multitudinous major aspects of theology the Holy Spirit never said a word on while teaching at length on the believers access to grace thru supernatural intercession.

In which the victorious Lord Jesus is the only heavenly intercessor ever mentioned btwn God and man, and who uniquely "is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them" (Hebrews 7:25)

For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted. (Hebrews 2:18)

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need. (Hebrews 4:15-16)

Plus the Lord said to pray to "our Father," not Mother in Heaven, and the Spirit cries "Abba, Father," (Gal. 4:6) not "Mama, Mother." That believers call upon Christ testifes to His deity, as only God is ever prayed to by believers, while it was pagans who offered incense to the only Queen of Heaven in Scripture.

“What saith the Scriptures?” (Rm. 4:3; 11:2; Gal. 4:30) “Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. (Proverbs 30:6)”

1

Prayers in Scripture addressed to God in Heaven

Over 200 prayers, besides instruction on prayer to Heaven. (“Our Father who art in Heaven,” not “Out Mother.”)


Prayers in Scripture addressed to any created beings in Heaven

ZERO prayers or examples, or in instruction on prayer to Heaven

2

Examples or teaching showing God being able to hear and respond to prayer from earth addressed to Him in Heaven.

Multiple. “I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will heal thee..” (2 Kings 20:5; cf. Ps. 65:2; 66:19,20; Lk 1:13)


Examples or teaching showing created beings being able to hear and respond to prayer from earth addressed to them in Heaven.

ZERO. Angels and elders offering up prayers before the judgments of the last days in memorial (Rev. 5:8 and 8:3,4; f. Lv. 2:2,15,16; 24:7; Num. 5:15) does not constitute this ability, which is unique to God.

3

Examples or teaching showing God able to personally communicate with man from Heaven.

Many. For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. (2 Corinthians 12:8-9)


Examples or teaching showing created beings being able to converse with man from Heaven.

ZERO. From what I see, all two-way communication required both created beings to somehow be consciously operating in the same realm.

4

Examples or teaching Christ as being the heavenly intercessor between man and God.

Many. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; (1 Timothy 2:5) For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted. (Hebrews 2:18) For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need. (Hebrews 4:15-16) Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. (Hebrews 7:25)


Examples or teaching any as created beings as heavenly intercessor between man and God.

ZERO. See under 2 above.

Thus Caths must resort to extrapolating prayer to Mary and lesser created beings from human relationships on earth, but which ignores the manifest division btwn the 2 realms. But my fingers and mind are too tired to detail this again now.


1,056 posted on 01/06/2016 1:42:45 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1019 | View Replies ]


To: daniel1212
Excellent analysis!

Hoss

1,072 posted on 01/06/2016 3:24:11 PM PST by HossB86 (Christ, and Him alone.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1056 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson