Posted on 12/31/2015 4:29:48 PM PST by NYer
“Woman behold thy son, son behold thy mother.”
Those who wrestle with the meaning of the Sacred Scriptures, who do not view their interpretation through the eyes of Faith, they don’t understand what these words from the Word Incarnate mean.
Of course Catholics worship Mary! Seriously? You claim Catholics don't?
How do you ask her for stuff? Hmm? Text message? Email? Telephone call (cell or landline)?
By praying to her, Catholics violate The Commandments by worshipping anyone or anything OTHER than God Almighty.
Are there statues of her? Why do Catholics genuflect before her? Is that not a form of obeisance? And why show any such respect to anyone other than God? Mary can't do anything for anyone. Remember when Jesus, God The Son, said in John 14:6:
"Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
No one. Except through me (Christ). Oh... And lest anyone think Mary has any role in Salvation or Grace, in John 6:44 Christ says:
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day."
"...unless the Father who sent me draws him." The Father draws us to the Son. Not sure? Christ re-affirms this a few verses down in John 6:65:
'And he said, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father."'
So what does Mary have to do with these things? Nothing. Only Christ saves. Grace comes to us from God. The Father draws us to the Son.
So why pray to Mary? Why waste time venerating her, or any other departed soul when a) they can't do anything for you, much less hear you; and, b) you have direct access to God Almighty!
Remember when the disciples asked Jesus how to pray, what did Jesus say? Did he say "when you pray, say, 'Mary...'"? No. He said in Luke 11:
"11 Now Jesus was praying in a certain place, and when he finished, one of his disciples said to him, "Lord, teach us to pray, as John taught his disciples." 2 And he said to them, "When you pray, say:
"Father, hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come.
3 Give us each day our daily bread,
4 and forgive us our sins,
for we ourselves forgive everyone who is indebted to us.
And lead us not into temptation."
5 And he said to them, "Which of you who has a friend will go to him at midnight and say to him, 'Friend, lend me three loaves, 6 for a friend of mine has arrived on a journey, and I have nothing to set before him'; 7 and he will answer from within, 'Do not bother me; the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed. I cannot get up and give you anything'? 8 I tell you, though he will not get up and give him anything because he is his friend, yet because of his impudence he will rise and give him whatever he needs. 9 And I tell you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened. 11 What father among you, if his son asks for a fish, will instead of a fish give him a serpent; 12 or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? 13 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!"
Kinda removes the need to pray to saints, Mary, or anyone other than God Almighty.
Happy New Year
Hoss
>>Mind-read much?<<
Not mind reading. That is what rejecting the fact of the motherhood of Mary as Mother of God means. When you do so you deny something about Jesus.
Besides, for a person who practices telling Catholics what they believe its fair that I point out to you what your errors regarding the divinity of Christ mean.
Happy New Year and Merry Christmas as well.
Seems like you're mind reading to me.
Hoss
Hilarious. I only go by what the Roman Catholic Church "teaches" in it's CCC. Is that not what Catholics are supposed to believe? Is that not why many on here in the past have been accused of being "poorly catechized"?
Really.
Christ is God the Son. I have no issue with His divinity. It does appear however that many Catholics seems to confuse God's divinity with a supposed divinity of Mary.
Hoss
Fuzzy as in unclear. Not really mind reading. I’m free to point out that you have mistakes about Christ’s nature with regard to his divinity.
Sounds like you’re getting sensitive to someone challenging your assumptions.
>>>I only go by what the Roman Catholic Church “teaches” in it’s CCC.
Christ is God the Son. I have no issue with His divinity. It does appear however that many Catholics seems to confuse God’s divinity with a supposed divinity of Mary.<<<
No where in the Catechism of the Catholic Church does it teach that Mary is divine. She is greatly blessed however Lk 1:48
They're confused because cults exist to confuse people.
Every time I see/hear "Mary, Mother of God", I cringe at the blasphemy.
Sounds like you might be poorly catechized. Re-read CCC 969; she is ascribed attributes that belong only to God...if attributes belong to God only, and yet are ascribed to Mary by the RCC, then the RCC 'makes' her divine.
Just going by what your church teaches.
Happy New Year
Hoss
Hoss
"is" sounds like you have a direct knowledge of his mind, vs. "may/might/etc." which questions as opposed to stating fact.
Sounds like you’re getting sensitive to someone challenging your assumptions.
Sounds to me like you might be projecting ....
Hoss
2Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.
I'd be willing to discuss other issues regarding Mary. But you've got to agree first that Mary is the Mother of God. Otherwise we're jumping subjects around. She is called Mother of God because of who Jesus is and where He came from.
Thats a good buzz word, "projecting." But it is irrelevant, lets get on point here. Do you believe that Jesus is God and therefore that Mary is the Mother of God?
Gen_3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Oh brother...Where do you see the sons of Mary in there??? That seed is a reference to Jesus, NOT you and your Catholic buddies......
She can’t - she is dead, I believe.
Obviously there are a large number of experts here who could write their entire knowledge of Catholicism on a matchbook and have room to sign their name to it.
But nowhere in scripture does it state that we have to find everything in the Bible.
2 Timothy 3:16
"All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness"
It is quite evident that this passage furnishes no argument whatever that the sacred Scripture, without Tradition, is the sole rule of faith; for, although sacred Scripture is profitable it is not said to be sufficient. The Apostle Paul requires the aid of Tradition (2 Thess. 2:15). Moreover, the Apostle here refers to the scriptures which Timothy was taught in his infancy. Since a good part of the NT was not yet written, he is referring to the OT.
When read in the context of the surrounding passages, one discovers that Paul's reference to Scripture is only part of his exhortation that Timothy take as his guide Tradition and Scripture. The two verses immediately before it state: "But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it, and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings which are able to instruct you for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus" (2 Tim. 3:14–15).
Paul tells Timothy to continue in what he has learned for two reasons: first, because he knows from whom he has learned it - Paul himself - and second, because he has been educated in the scriptures. The first of these is a direct appeal to apostolic tradition, the oral teaching which the apostle Paul had given Timothy. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 must be taken out of context to arrive at the theory of sola scriptura. But when the passage is read in context, it becomes clear that it is teaching the importance of apostolic tradition!
The Bible denies that it is sufficient as the complete rule of faith. Paul says that much Christian teaching is to be found in the tradition which is handed down by word of mouth (2 Tim. 2:2). He instructs us to "stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter" (2 Thess. 2:15).
Back at you, dear friend!! You are in my daily prayers.
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