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To: BlueDragon
It applies to the three former Muzzies I've personally known over the years, one became a JW dolt, the other two a Pentecostal of some sort.

All three ended up in prison for attacking and beating someone who didn't agree with them. People who have been taught since they were infants that violence is part and parcel of faith have a very tough time not taking that attitude with them whatever they leave Iz Lame for.

When frustrated or contradicted in a way they can't counter, violence comes naturally to them and unless someone close to them has helped them work through that being an automatic and acceptable response they fall right back into it.

That's my personal experience.

26 posted on 12/12/2015 9:09:25 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin
They were never truly converted from previous ways of thinking, and to Christ then. Obviously?

That's long been a problem throughout history, not only for former Muslims. Though speaking of nowadays, you likely are on to something in that it can be more difficult to shed particular imprinted patterns and ways of thinking for those coming from Islamic cultures, with my own objections being along line of "your mileage" not may, but will vary.

Present-day cultural pockets within the United States can tend towards similar, roughly parallel serial failure in society (and parents) teaching and providing coping mechanisms which can be relied upon to avoid physical violence. Also, there truly are concurrently running, virtually unwritten but yet strongly imposed codes of conduct, that if one crosses (or is merely appearing to approach crossing) can lead to immediate fighting.

At least there was in Texas. A code of honor. Behave. Be polite. Or it will begin. It's not so much like that today, although this can be difficult to describe in words. It's like one has to have lived through it to understand. Those who are old enough coming from many places within the US can probably accurately enough grasp what I'm saying, the culture as a whole fifty years ago having not been entirely dissimilar due to intrastate US provincialism, and how many aspects have since changed.

Prior to (and continuing for a brief period soon after) the Council of Nicea, supporters of Alexander and Athanasius began persecuting (even to death) those who sided with Arius, and of course there was fighting, and not only a few killings too committed by Arians in return.

As some historians have noted, the sainted Athanasius not only did not condemn that sort of thing, but rather excused it --- until it was his own turn to be the hunted (which he later became, and remained, on off and on basis).

That was the first time in history within the Christian Church violence was condoned, if not said to be justified over issues chiefly of theological disagreement.

Later it went the other way of course, against the Arians, with requirement towards holding orthodox views enforced in a variety of ways, many of those not pretty, not pretty at all.

Just saying. Something to remember.

27 posted on 12/12/2015 10:15:08 PM PST by BlueDragon
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