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Posted on 12/09/2015 1:36:26 PM PST by NYer
“Mary, Did You Know?” is a Christmas song with lyrics and music written by Mark Lowry and Buddy Greene. It was originally recorded by Christian recording artist, Michael English on his solo debut album in 1991 (English and Lowry were both members of the Gaither Vocal Band).
Lowry would record the song several times himself, most notably with the Gaither Vocal Band on their 1998 Christmas album.
At best we have a picky point here that seems to destroy all charity and grace in taking umbrage over it. She would have been a participant in sin prior to her own conception in the fall of mankind, if that were so.
In which case Mary needing the work of the Cross still stands as a fact. The Cross operates spanning all time and space. But it was to appear in Mary’s earthly time line as well as in Mary’s pre-conception past.
This is being all hypothetical about it. As a rascally Protestant I say this is special pleading and not needed to be a foundation of anything that Christendom (certainly the bible) validly honors.
If something could be counted on to put a Grinch in Christmas, these kinds of arguments are it.
Oh dear..I don’t keep up with celebrity news well...I have always loved Kenny Rogers version.
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Yes, it's THIS again!
Let's try not to be "childish!"
The very exhortation of the Angel Gabriel — “Hail, full of grace” — is absolutely an acknowledgement of the pure state of her soul. “Grace” is not a word that was thrown around casually back then — and describes a Divine gift for Mary that didn’t exist even for the greatest and most holy of the Old Testament figures until after Christ’s death and resurrection.
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Christmas is unreal.
Yeshua was born in September of 3 BC.
December 25 does have significance though. It is the day that the babies born to the virgins that were raped by the sun god priests the Easter previous are placed in the arms of the bronze idol of Ashtor, in the center of the bonfire.
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You beat me to it. I must have been typing my post as you were posting yours!
Got to remember that the song is for the general Christian community.
Well it just seems to me, that if we hypothetically embrace a model of this kind, then if, with the author, we take umbrage over a recognition that the cross work of Christ was to physically appear in Mary’s earthly future, however spiritually it might have reached back — well, it seems mighty petty to me.
It sounds like trying to defend the holy with the flesh. It isn’t necessary and in fact it is sadly presumptuous.
Jimmy Durante has the best Christmas songs. When I want to go classical, I go Nutcracker Suite.
How do you know?
If someone prints $3 bills, are you going to refuse $2 and $5 bills?
Sometimes “Christians” can really get into an orgy of aspersion casting.
*facepalm*
The most obvious is that Clay Aiken did not make this song famous. It was written and performed for years by Mark Lowry and Buddy Greene, both evangelical Christians. Lowry was a member of the Gaither Vocal Band at the time and still tours with them. Lowry’s original version as still the gold-standard for this very moving Christmas song.
There is only one who was tempted in every way that mankind could be yet lived without sin, and his name is JESUS.
2 Corinthians 5:20-21New International Version (NIV)
“We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God. God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.”
Nowhere in the bible does it say that Mary was without sin, or conceived while she was sinless.
Amazing Grace is heretical (Michael Voris):
http://www.cleansingfire.org/2010/05/amazing-grace-is-anti-catholic/
No it’s not (Mark Shea):
What are you gonna do?
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Grace is solely for confessed, repentant sinners.
No one else will ever receive any grace.
She was.
"But if Mary is a sinner in need of a savior, then she cannot be the worthy vessel in whom the All-Holy God takes on human nature as the Word-Made-Flesh."
Sure she can. God is incorruptible. He wasn't tainted by walking among us in a world full of sinful humans for 33 years, and he wouldn't have been tainted by spending 9 months in a sinner's womb either. Building doctrine on speculations of what God couldn't do is illogical and yields poor results.
Another is that it is being embraced by all manner of unbelievers (Clay Aiken, for one) who have no intention of living by its intentions.
But this articles contentions are lame.
Actually, she didn't have sinful flesh "like you and I."
She had sinless flesh "like Adam and Eve."
As Scripture says, Christ is the New Adam (1 Cor 15). Just as Adam received a perfect human nature, not a ruined one, so as "New Adam," Christ had a human nature which was also perfect.
Since Mary is Christ's ONLY human parent, they must have partaken of the same human nature, which is to say, one which was as "good" as human nature was originally, at the Creation.
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