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To: daniel1212; HossB86; metmom; Tao Yin; Iscool; ealgeone; redleghunter

You cannot say that God calls people of 1001 different believers to be pastors in as much Protestant and Episcopalian denominations. This would include married homosexual pastors and “bishops” as well as you very well know. To say that there are several “truths” is a contradiction of God. God Is Truth, He is One Truth, and it’s the ONE-truth mandate that was given to Peter and his successors to go forth and teach this ONE truth through ONE Church. The Catholic Church existed BEFORE the Bible. The books in the Bible were assembled in AD 384, by the Catholic Church and through Divine inspiration. That inspiration did not vanish a full 11 centuries later with the plague of Protestantism. If you doubt, that Divine inspiration guided the Church that selected the books in the Bible and assembled them in the order we find them, then you have little choice but to toss out the Bible. The books in the Bible did not drop from the skies.

For nearly four centuries, they were checked for their accuracy as the Word of God by checking and cross fact-checking the oral tradition. That received oral tradition is what the Church uses. Outside the Catholic Church there is no central Credo. Rather, you find a flotsam and jetsam of unadulterated rubbish from the David Koresh and Jim Joes and Joel Osteens of this world right down to your illiterate corner street pastor who spouts off his or her own interpretation to mainly low-information high school dropouts.

This is why you will find a towering intellectual tradition only in the Catholic Church and why even the brightest theologians and pastors of the on-Catholic Christian movement have converted to Catholicism. All this cutting-and-pasting form third-rate blogs and random hurling of fragmentary scriptural quotes is beyond sophomoric. It is, as students of theology have called it, useless garbage.

Just check out the galaxy of converts to the Catholic Faith over different times, places, and faiths, including previous atheists and agnostics.

If you really, really, want to know why serious converts convert to Catholic try reading this:

http://www.catholicconvert.com/about/why-im-catholic/


358 posted on 11/10/2015 9:00:44 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish
You cannot say that God calls people of 1001 different believers to be pastors in as much Protestant and Episcopalian denominations....

This is why you will find a towering intellectual tradition only in the Catholic Church...

Oh, that makes sense.

359 posted on 11/10/2015 9:18:32 PM PST by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: Steelfish; daniel1212; HossB86; metmom; Tao Yin; Iscool; ealgeone

Is the NT sufficient to find and understand God’s plan of salvation for mankind? If so, why did the apostles omit such an important doctrine of salvation as “without Mary’s intercession their is no salvation”?

Perhaps you could email the above to one of those former protestant now Catholic intellectuals. I have asked this question more than 10 times and all I hear about is David Koresh and a host of other cult leaders.

Meaning you keep changing the subject.


360 posted on 11/10/2015 9:18:35 PM PST by redleghunter (Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation)
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To: Steelfish
You cannot say that God calls people of 1001 different believers to be pastors in as much Protestant and Episcopalian denominations. Correct, and thus it is an absolutely invalid argument. For what you are arguing is that Protestantism cannot be valid since we see such under that tent, yet no one i know here is arguing for whatever RCs put under that tent. I

Nor can you argue that since SS sees division then it cannot be valid, as so does the RC alternative where it really counts.

Instead the ones i see you dealing with are not contending for "Protestantism," nor for a specific church, but for an evangelical faith and core truths thereof.

Both models for ascertaining what is Truth, and what is of God see divisions as well as limited degrees of unity, mostly on paper when it comes to RCs. The question is which one is Scriptural, ascertaining what is of God and what is Truth based upon Scriptural substantiation, or by faith in Rome under the the novel and unScriptural premise of ensured perpetual magisterial infallibility? Want to answer that.

He is One Truth, and it’s the ONE-truth mandate that was given to Peter and his successors to go forth and teach this ONE truth through ONE Church.

Why do you simply keep repeating refuted parroted propaganda ? Is this what Rome fosters, besides liberalism?

The Catholic Church existed BEFORE the Bible.

Wrong, as the church of Rome is basically an invisible church in Scripture . In addition, even if it did then that is no more an argument for following Rome in her other judgments then it was for following the historical magisterium who sat in the seat of Moses, and which existed BEFORE the Church and complete Bible, and to whom Christ required general submission to.

. The books in the Bible were assembled in AD 384, by the Catholic Church and through Divine inspiration.

Again, why do you simply keep repeating refuted parroted propaganda ? Does it prevent RCs from being disturbed by refutation?

Rome had no infallible, indisputable canon until after Luther died, and doubts and disagreements continued down thru th centuries and right into Trent. And Luther had substantial RC scholarly support for his dissent, and non-binding canon, while actually included the deutros in his Bible, separately as per ancient custom.

If you doubt, that Divine inspiration guided the Church that selected the books in the Bible and assembled them in the order we find them, then you have little choice but to toss out the Bible.

Rome does not even claim Divine inspiration for her "infallible" decrees, while your logic likewise applies to the Jews who gave us most of Scripture, and upon substantiation of which Truth the church established its claims.

The rest is more of your reiterated but refuted ranting, and sophist soliloquy. No reason to waste more time with one whose recourse is to rely on propaganda and the unScriptural premise that conversions of intellectuals best indicates Truth. Which is a case for atheism. Go read my prior post for a change if you want a response.

364 posted on 11/10/2015 10:53:12 PM PST by daniel1212 (authTurn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: Steelfish; daniel1212

The Catholic church allows homosexual priests.

They certainly exist within Catholicism.


366 posted on 11/11/2015 4:59:01 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Steelfish; daniel1212; HossB86; metmom; Tao Yin; Iscool; ealgeone; redleghunter; Elsie; Mark17
Rather, you find a flotsam and jetsam of unadulterated rubbish from the David Koresh and Jim Joes and Joel Osteens of this world right down to your illiterate corner street pastor who spouts off his or her own interpretation to mainly low-information high school dropouts.

You mean like these "pillars of virtue" in the roman catholic cult??

Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.[1]

Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.

Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy

Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy

Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.[2]

Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.[3]

Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony[4]

Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes

I think you best shut up with your mudslinging in attempting to link Koresh, Jones, and Osteen with true Christianity.

The Christian recognizes the false Gospel they advance.

However, the above list of popes cannot be dismissed by the catholic. It's your pope, your church. Deal with it.

How many priests have molested boys over the centuries?? Are you prepared to answer??

Has the roman catholic cult done anything about it??

Catholics have no room to talk when their own pope, current one especially, is ridiculed and ignored by many of the "faithful".

So until you get your house in order....shut up. We're tired of hearing your same old screed.

370 posted on 11/11/2015 5:30:54 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: Steelfish

Satan is smarter than you could ever be, and smarter than the fools who have towering intellects duped into heresies and blasphemies showing their ‘great wisdom’.


380 posted on 11/11/2015 7:27:23 AM PST by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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