[DungeonMaster]

I LOVE John 17. But how does it prove that all of that Marianism is true? There isn't a whisper in there about her and the verse that really jumps out at me is: "And this is eternal life, that they might know You the only true God and Jesus Christ whom You have sent".

That verse says so much about being saved being about faith and knowing who God is. There is not a word in that prayer about Mary. There is faint little in the whole bible about Mary. I think knowing about Mary is NOT knowing the only true God and Jesus Christ whom He has sent. Hence the ongoing 1000 somewhat enjoyable threads of debate and discussion about our differences.

In the end I think a Muslim would kill us both and that comforts me, for some reason.

[Iscool]

There is not a word in that prayer about Mary.

1Co 4:6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men (or women) above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.

We are instructed not to think about Peter, and Mary above what has been written which is precious little...Every thing we know about Mary can be covered in a few sentences or a paragraph or two...

THAT'S how much time we are to be devoted to thinking about Mary...