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To: ealgeone

That’s precisely the problem with Bible-Christians. The Bible did not drop from the skies and self assemble themselves in the order in which they were found. It is the Catholic Church through its early Church fathers and theologians labored for some three centuries sorting out various fragments of writings, and gave us what we now call the Bible- the authoritative word of God. They did this by relying on the oral tradition. That Divine authority did not vanish with the curse of the Reformation that washed ashore more than a century and half later that gave us every imaginable and contorted form of Protestantism.

The very John you cite said in 21: 25

“But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written.”

The oral tradition tells us that without Mary’s intercession, and belief in the written and oral words that instruct on the Holy Eucharist, there is no salvation.


25 posted on 11/06/2015 12:19:33 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish
The oral tradition tells us that without Mary’s intercession, and belief in the written and oral words that instruct on the Holy Eucharist, there is no salvation.

And this is why John wrote 20:30-31.

Therefore many other signs Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.

The same author also wrote in 1 John 5:11-13

11And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. 13These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life. 14This is the confidence which we have before Him, that, if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. 15And if we know that He hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests which we have asked from Him.

The astute reader will note no intercession necessary from Mary or the need to believe in transubstantiation in either passage.

The written Word contains all we need to know on how to obtain salvation as John notes in his Gospel.

It is why Christianity rejects roman catholic tradition.

44 posted on 11/06/2015 1:43:44 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: Steelfish; ealgeone
The Bible did not drop from the skies and self assemble themselves in the order in which they were found. It is the Catholic Church through its early Church fathers and theologians labored for some three centuries sorting out various fragments of writings, and gave us what we now call the Bible- the authoritative word of God. They did this by relying on the oral tradition.

Which then robs Scripture of it's authority as the word of God, by making it a work of man.

However, to the point...... Since you claim they are responsible for the Bible, then why did they include THIS.....

John 2:1 On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there.

John 2:3 When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.”

Acts 1:14 All these with one accord were devoting themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers.

And NOT call Mary, mother of GOD?

Did it slip their attention? Were they wrong the first time around and had to go back and correct it?

57 posted on 11/07/2015 12:23:18 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Steelfish; ealgeone; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; BlueDragon; boatbums; caww; CynicalBear; daniel1212; ...
The oral tradition tells us that without Mary's intercession, and belief in the written and oral words that instruct on the Holy Eucharist, there is no salvation.

That's why Christians reject *oral tradition*.

Without Jesus death, burial, and resurrection, there is no salvation.

Mary's supposed intercession is found nowhere in Scripture, Peter himself says that there is no other name under heaven by which we must be saved.

The only ones ever recorded in Scripture as making intercession for us is JESUS Himself, and the Holy Spirit.

1 Timothy 2:5-6 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time.

Romans 8:26-27 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

Romans 8:33-34 Who shall bring any charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies. Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died-more than that, who was raised-who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.

Hebrews 7:25 Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.

59 posted on 11/07/2015 12:33:16 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Steelfish
The oral tradition tells us that without Mary’s intercession, and belief in the written and oral words that instruct on the Holy Eucharist, there is no salvation.

That is why your oral tradition is Satanic...God teaches us just the opposite of that...

1Ti_2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

One of the reasons Jesus had the bible written is so we could see which religions teach a false gospel...So of course your religion is going to say the scriptures are false, or incomplete...

We don't have to go to Mary for Salvation...In fact, we will not receive salvation if we try to go thru Mary...

Someone in your religion comes up with a decree and after following the decree for 5 years, it becomes holy oral tradition...

Just a few years after Frank declares remarried Catholics can eat your Eucharist, that will be holy tradition as well...

71 posted on 11/07/2015 6:43:32 AM PST by Iscool (Izlam and radical Izlam are different the same way a wolf and a wolf in sheeps clothing are differen)
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To: Steelfish; daniel1212; metmom; boatbums; Springfield Reformer; Iscool
The oral tradition tells us that without Mary’s intercession, and belief in the written and oral words that instruct on the Holy Eucharist, there is no salvation.

Please quote the official Catholic doctrine which supports your above statement. Your statement attempts to present a case which puts the written Words of God in harmony with oral tradition. Your very statement contradicts such.

In written Word there is only One who intercedes. In the written Word there is no Holy Eucharist to speak of.

But yes Bible Christians, as you put it, are a problem. They point out the traditions of men are not evidenced in the Holy Spirit inspired Word of God.

111 posted on 11/07/2015 1:31:09 PM PST by redleghunter (Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation)
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