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To: Mr Rogers; af_vet_1981; annalex; metmom
he says that later in a different context

Verse 16 is in a different context that verses immediately preceding it? And preceded by "you are God' s building" in verse 9? And followed by yet another admonition not to "violate" the temple? I can't take that seriously.

We is not the same as you

Why, do you think, St. Paul repeat variations of "every man" a dozen times in this passage?

We are saved by grace through faith, and our sins are forgotten by God. OR we are only partially saved, and imperfectly purified

That is a false dichotomy that does not rise from the nature and purpose of Purgatory where, as 1 Cor. 3:15 says, man is saved. Not "partially saved", and not "imperfectly purified". The Christ work in him is complete and perfect, and he is pure as white snow.

428 posted on 11/08/2015 1:42:26 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex; af_vet_1981; metmom

“We’ve been over this before and more than once. You are obfuscating the text, and it can’t be unintentional...”

No. That is why I quote the text so often - because it IS plain.

“So, yes, the building allegorizes the man. Every man. Also, the work is every man’s work, not just ministry. “

Not when Paul directly contradicts you: “After all, who is Apollos? And who is Paul? We are simply God’s servants, by whom you were led to believe. Each one of us does the work which the Lord gave him to do: 6 I planted the seed, Apollos watered the plant...There is no difference between the one who plants and the one who waters; God will reward each one according to the work each has done. 9 For we are partners working together for God, and you are God’s field.”

There is absolutely no doubt that the man working the field is NOT the field and it NOT the fruit.

“You are also God’s building. 10 Using the gift that God gave me, I did the work of an expert builder and laid the foundation, and someone else is building on it...”

YOU are the building, and SOMEONE ELSE is now working on it. It is not and cannot be Paul working on himself.

“erse 13: the fire shall try every man’ s work, of what sort it is / This cannot be read other than individual judgment on every man.”

No. It cannot be read that way, since the work is the ministry: “After all, who is Apollos? And who is Paul? We are simply God’s servants...Each one of us does the work which the Lord gave him to do”.

And “And the quality of each person’s work will be seen when the Day of Christ exposes it.” - The quality of each man’s work in building the church of Christ will be exposed.

Nothing to do with sin. And nothing to do with the Satanic doctrine that we pay for our own sins:

“These must be expiated [”to atone for; make amends or reparation for”] either on this earth through the sorrows, miseries and calamities of this life and above all through death,[3] or else in the life beyond through fire and torments or ‘purifying’ punishments...” - Pope Paul 6 repeating the lie of Satan - that WE pay the punishment and ‘atone’ for our sins.

“Verse 16 is in a different context that verses immediately preceding it?”

Nope. He is continuing to discuss the divisions in the church and using the collective - 16 continues the argument, culminating in: “No one, then, should boast about what human beings can do. Actually everything belongs to you: 22 Paul, Apollos, and Peter; this world, life and death, the present and the future—all these are yours, 23 and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God.”

He continues to rebuke them for their pride and their divisiveness in Chapter 4:

“6 For your sake, my friends, I have applied all this to Apollos and me, using the two of us as an example, so that you may learn what the saying means, “Observe the proper rules.” None of you should be proud of one person and despise another...

...18 Some of you have become proud because you have thought that I would not be coming to visit you. 19 If the Lord is willing, however, I will come to you soon, and then I will find out for myself the power which these proud people have, and not just what they say.”

In Chapter 5, he changes course and starts to discuss specific sins and issues:

“Now, it is actually being said that there is sexual immorality among you so terrible that not even the heathen would be guilty of it. I am told that a man is sleeping with his stepmother!...But should you not judge the members of your own fellowship? As the scripture says, ‘Remove the evil person from your group.’”

Chapter 6 starts with discussions of lawsuits against fellow believers, and then - THEN! - turns to a discussion of sexual immorality (and others):

“12 Someone will say, ‘I am allowed to do anything.’ Yes; but not everything is good for you. I could say that I am allowed to do anything, but I am not going to let anything make me its slave. 13 Someone else will say, ‘Food is for the stomach, and the stomach is for food.’ Yes; but God will put an end to both. The body is not to be used for sexual immorality, but to serve the Lord; and the Lord provides for the body. “

But nothing in chapter 3 addresses individual morality. It is dedicated to discussing divisions in the church, and the Corinthians desire to follow individuals instead of God - something that later snared Rome...


430 posted on 11/08/2015 3:20:14 PM PST by Mr Rogers (Can you remember what America was like in 2004?)
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