Posted on 09/01/2015 3:53:50 AM PDT by NYer
It is Pope Francis that I have the issues with, not so much his supporters. Its based on many of the statements he made which are PC in nature and do not follow the spirit of the law reflected in the bible. He ratchets up my discernment meter. Add to that coming future events and his role in them and it makes you question who he really is.
Any step toward reunification with SSPX and, by implication, with the Eastern Orthodox is good. Alleluia, praise be to God.
Observe the Protestants getting angry. We must be doing something right.
John 20:21-23
Ed Morrissey’s comment: “Breaking — Pope still Catholic”
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/09/01/breaking-pope-still-catholic/
Ok You seek absolution from a priest and I’ll seek it from Christ No wonder Catholics have no assurance of salvation
Did this extend to Paul?
uhhh...no. No anger.
A great deal of sadness the pope is appealing to Mary on this.....and not Christ.
Though for the moment I cannot precisely recall all sources for what I was speaking towards, I have seen descriptions to the effect within Roman Catholic's commentaries, including that of trained priests. It must have been one of those oogly-boogly post Vatican II Novus Ordo dudes that the SSPX'ers have their cassocks all a-skitter about?
Which is why I mentioned it on this thread, for there is a range of expression on the subject, even within Catholicism and the more formal teachings there, similar to how there is often (more often, in regards to other subject matter perhaps) range of teaching on other points of theology which may be referenced and relied upon --- that do not always say the same things, leaving one able to argue differing sides of various points of theology, while never leaving formal "teachings", if but needing to rely on Vatican II and post Vatican II papal letters, and the writings of prominent theologians, and influential priests of lesser perceived ranking.
And so do you, and so does myself, when we are sinned against.
In fact, one can say we are told by God that we must, or else our own sins will not be forgiven.
Then the matter is not entirely dependent upon someone to come along and bind what had already been bound. Wouldn't that be to simply repeat, go over again, what had been already in existence? Pretty much like I had said in previous comment . do you validate parking here?
Scholastic fantasy. At no time & place within Scripture itself this "power" you speak of be contingent upon conformance to the later customs and traditions that arose --- not sourced from the earliest iterations of the Church, but some time later.
At the time and place of John the Baptist baptizing sinners for the remittance of sins, who were those persons confessing their sins to?
For the record, allow me to answer that;
To one another, those people who were themselves sinners --- were confessing their own sins to one another. Imagine your surprise if that were to sink in...
That notion, that we are to confess our sins (but not necessarily to some set-apart over all other Christians, 'priestly class') is also later confirmed within James 5:16;
So what then? What does this tell us?
Are we to contemplate being "healed" but not forgiven? I can just hear someone out there thinking that, though likely not yourself going there, then trying to stay there, rooting around as for like a hidden truffle...
At the time of John the Baptist,
Where was the priesthood then? Virtually nonexistent save but in the Temple, which was some time not so long later, overthrown.
In the meantime when the church began to grow, and more and more were baptized, prayed over, and received the Holy Spirit, that was the priesthood, albeit there are differing gifts of the Spirit given (from on high) among members of the church.
So where was a priesthood that was empowered, incumbent upon obedience to the church?
I'll tell you. It was in each and every believer, according to passages that confirm that from elsewhere, most acutely (and scattered, repeated, thus confirmed) throughout the writings of Paul.
Where sin is, grace abounds. Its more a matter of finding that grace, and the forgiveness which allows the Lord God to extend that from Himself, to us.
If some chose to have themselves assisted in that process by those they think of as being "priests" then so be it.
Yet to build up a religious system that requires that, and then make things out to be (from other Romish assertions) that the forgiveness of God be unattainable except for through submission to this priestly class -- would be to preclude all not kowtowing to and submitting to Romanist-centric theological positions the possibility of forgiveness of God which He otherwise most freely supplies.
It's like some people attempted long ago to build fencing and walls all around the waters of life, proclaiming that if any not pass their own kiosks --- the water be inaccessible.
The Lord our God had different plans.
37 On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, “If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. 38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.”"
One is by Baptism. But what about the fellow who lapses? Does the Churchsimply expel him , or may be be readmitted if he repents and does penance?
From article-The Year of Mercy begins 8 December 2015 until 20 November 2016.
Quote-That is what the year of mercy is about.
Where did they get these dates from?
This is only 11 months and 12 days!
I guess Jesus just ain't a good enough intercessor...
Infallibleness
Someone sure did!
Why?
Chrsit won't make time to listen to you directly??
And Rahab.
So?
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