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To: aMorePerfectUnion
1. I believe historically your denomination condemned others to hell.

True, as per the CCC and various councils and papal statements. And the statements of certain Catholics on this forum. I have been told that very thing by FRoman Catholics.

2. No one goes to hell based on what church they belong to. Why worry what anyone other than Christ thinks?

Well, um, you see........

3. What do you think about any group that claims the Name of Someone Who forewarned to expect persecution and welcome it... But then complains when His words come true? This seems ironic. No?

Yes, but the devil is in the details......

I think that people who make martyrs of themselves have their reward.

23 posted on 08/25/2015 8:47:50 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

http://www.biblicalcatholic.com/apologetics/a137.htm

The number one Catholic-hating bigot in the country.

More MacArthur ignorance

From The Scandal of the Catholic Priesthood

MacArthur: “In the eyes of the priesthood there is an inherent uncleanness in marriage and it’s a hangover from that sort of Manichaean/Gnostic idea of the evil of the flesh. There’s an uncleanness in romantic desire. There’s an uncleanness in normal love. There’s something shameful in that. And the desire for procreation is somehow the enemy of spiritual devotion.”

Show me the official Catholic document (Catechism, etc) that there is an inherent uncleanness in marriage and we have a Manichean/Gnostic idea of the evil of the flesh, that the desire for procreation is the enemy of spiritual devotion. Where does he get that one?

Should be easy to do, right? Produce the Catholic teaching and official document on those (Catechism specifically).

MacArthur: “You know, I really...my heart goes out to priests. They are...they are literally, I think they are literally in many cases sexual time bombs, it’s only a question of when it’s going to go. That group of people in themselves has such a warped view of marriage because they’re so fixated on the sexual aspect of it. They think marriage is all about sex and procreating little Catholics.”

Show me the official Catholic document that “marriage is all about sex and procreating little Catholics.” Yes, in those exact words. Two books on the history of celibacy:

The Case for Clerical Celibacy: Its Historical Development and Theological Foundation by Alfons Maria Cardinal Stickler (Ignatius Press, 1995)
The Apostolic Origins of Priestly Celibacy by Christian Cochini (Ignatius Press, 1990)
From my Da Vinci Code article: The Bible states Jesus is spiritually married as the bridegroom to His Church, called “the Bride of Christ” (Eph 5:20-33; cf. Matt 25:1ff; Rev 21:2,9; 22:17). That is at least one good theological reason why Jesus remained single and celibate: He is married to His Church, and loves Her as a husband loves his wife. Other examples of single and celibate Jews and prophets include John the Baptist, Jeremiah the prophet, Moses probably after his encounter with God, the Essene community at Qumran, the great St. Paul the Apostle, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the mother of Jesus, according to Catholics and Orthodox Christians, etc. Jesus Himself said some become eunuchs (virgins or celibates) for the sake of the kingdom of God (Matthew 19:10-12). St. Paul argues in 1 Corinthians 7 it is sometimes better to remain single as he himself was; in 1 Corinthians 9 he mentions other apostles having wives, but never mentions Jesus having a wife when it would have been greatly advantageous to his argument.

Jesus’ celibacy is in fact the basis for the celibacy of the Catholic priesthood. MacArthur forgets that. Or does MacArthur (like Dan Brown) think Jesus was married?

Here’s a nice one, same article again MacArthur: “There’s the scandal of an aberrant, unbiblical bizarre pagan theology of the priesthood and the Mass. There’s the scandal of the power and the grasping materialism of a satanic religious system that wants to engulf the earth.”

That’s nice. Yes this is a conclusion, not a statement of Catholic doctrine. But can you please show me where he gets the idea the priesthood and the Mass comes from paganisn and is satanic. Aside from The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop, Jack Chick comic books, or Dave Hunt’s Whore of Babylon nonsense, I don’t know where you’d get that.

Again, read JND Kelly’s Early Christian Doctrines, and Jaroslav Pelikan’s The Christian Tradition, and my article on the Eucharist.

MacArthur thinks, in the order I have provided them:

Catholic salvation is works/righteousness;
that no Catholic priest can be saved; that God and Jesus are “tough guys” so we should go to Mary in prayer;
that we teach the “virgin birth of Mary”;
that our teaching on “pastoral work is not comfort and care and compassion”;
that papal infallibility means the Pope “never makes a mistake”;
that heretics and schismatics and immoral people are “absorbed” (his term);
that there is “an inherent uncleanness” in marriage and we have a “Manichean/Gnostic idea of the evil of the flesh”;
that “the desire for procreation is the enemy of spiritual devotion”;
that we have a “warped view of marriage” and that we “think marriage is all about sex and procreating little Catholics”;
that the priesthood and the Mass is “an aberrant, unbiblical bizarre pagan theology”;
that Catholicism is a “satanic religious system.”
These are from just two articles (JUST TWO!) here:

The Scandal of the Catholic Priesthood by John MacArthur (2002), version 1
AND
The Scandal of the Catholic Priesthood by John MacArthur (2002), version 2 (does not contain the “virgin birth of Mary” they cleaned it up)
AND
GTY tape, GC 1301-X, titled “Bible Questions and Answers” Part 26


25 posted on 08/25/2015 9:29:38 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("I got a good Christian raisin', an 8th grade education,Ain't no need y'all treatin' me this way")
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