Posted on 08/25/2015 6:45:11 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
John 14:26..Romans 8:14..John 16:13-15
Amazing isn't it how catholics will cling, and I mean cling, to their tradition, including an ultra reliance upon Mary, departed "saints", etc, for direction, salvation, etc, when we are promised this?
This should be real simple if you are a Christian:
Which one will you trust?
The Holy Spirit Who has been given to us as a pledge of our inheritance and by whom we are sealed (Eph 1:13-14; 4:30; 2 Corinthians 1:22) the One given to us as a Helper (John 14:16,26; 15:26; 16:7)...the One Who is making intercession for us with words and groanings we can't put into words (Romans 8:26), the third member of the Trinity in existence since infinity,
OR
created sinful beings like Mary, the departed "saints", etc?
Well it IS really a matter of who trust.....obvious that most put their trust in Rome and their Priests pretty much over what the scriptures might tell them otherwise.... because most can’t trust the Lord will do as HE said and let His Spirit teach them as promised....further most go no further then doing their Rosary beads and attending their church to hear whatever they’re told to believe.
So the end result is they never mature beyond the milk of Gods Word and remain in the infant stage. After all they can always blame the Pope or a bad Priest if they’re wrong.
Lol. You are so funny sometimes.
“After all they can always blame the Pope or a bad Priest if they’re wrong.” I don’t think excuses will float at the Bema Seat of Christ.
Let me take a stab at that, and see if it makes sense. While many have different thoughts on many different issues, like pre trib, post trib, mid trib, speaking in tongues, not speaking in tongues, the only thing that matters in all creation, is Heaven and Hell, and how to go to the first, and avoid the second. Nothing else really matters. God is so intelligent, He never left anyone with the option of misinterpreting the plan of salvation. There IS only one correct interpretation of the plan of salvation. It is so easy, a child can figure it out. My son understood it perfectly at 5 years of age. Again, we are not discussing the theory of relativity here.
I hope that helps with the most important issue that faces mankind: Heaven or Hell.
“I am saying every protestant is his own Pope or Popess, Stop with the gotcha games.”
verga, this same statement of yours could easily be applied to Catholics, as numerous surveys show. Each Catholic decides what part of Catholic teaching they believe and live by - making them their own pope or popess.
This survey information has been posted numerous times by Daniel212.
“If Sola Scriptura is right and supposedly given by God why are there so many different interpretations?”
Where there are imperfect people, there are differing life experience and views people bring to the Scriptures. This doesn’t mean every view is correct in every case.
Your argument though falls short by confusing the authority of God’s Holy Spirit inspired Word with what men teach and believe when they read it. These are two vastly different things.
Apart from this, much of the areas of disagreement are lesser issues - similar to your understanding of Rites. For example, there are vast areas of the Scriptures that don’t influence whether someone has eternal life or not. They aren’t worth disagreeing about.
Do you really want to be in conflict with fellow believers in Christ over *everything*? I do not. Even the Scripture itself gives latitude for believers to hold different days as holy (for example) and encourages us to get along with respect.
If you look at the Great Creeds that all Christendom agrees on, they are the core beliefs of Christianity and do not cover the great sweep of Scripture in every detail.
In addition, God has given teachers and pastors as gifts to the Church. He has given the indwelling Spirit to lead us into all truth. His process takes time, as history demonstrates.
Blessings.
Because.....
SPIRITUAL TRUTHS ARE SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED
1 Corinthians 1:18-31 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written,“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.”
Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, so that no human being might boast in the presence of God. And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, so that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.”
1 Corinthians 2:1-16 And I, when I came to you, brothers, did not come proclaiming to you the testimony of God with lofty speech or wisdom. For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. And I was with you in weakness and in fear and much trembling, and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, so that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away. But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But, as it is written,
“What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him”—
these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.
The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. “For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
God's Truth is His Truth and stands alone as authoritative by its very nature as God's truth, regardless of man's ability or inability to correctly discern it.
Man's inability to correctly discern God's Word does not invalidate it nor mean that relying on it alone is not valid.
If relying on God's word alone is invalidated because sinful men are incapable of correctly discerning it, then *sacred tradition* is likewise invalidated because men are no more capable of correctly discerning that than Scripture.
The fault is not with the source, the Word, it's with the men interpreting it.
Whatever arguments are used against sola Scriptura, can be used against any teaching of Catholicism, thus, buy rejecting sS, you are forced into a position of rejecting your own church's teachings.
There are also those things that Paul called *disputable matters*, in Romans 14.
HE never demanded lockstep adherence to ALL of the apostles teachings. He allowed for matters of conscience to play a role in how a Christian is supposed to live.
The problem comes in when there is such legalism that some person or group of people decide what Scripture says and then decide then demand that EVERYONE do it their way or else.
Much like the Catholic church does, not to mention many cults that arise.
It’s interesting, ironic, and hypocritical of Catholics to demand of others what they allow for themselves.
They allow for varying opinions on what they consider the non-essentials of their faith, and yet hold *Prots* to the standard of lockstep adherence to ALL points of doctrine no matter how small or they use it to try to discredit relying on Scripture alone.
Well, in that case, they have just invalidated any Catholic teaching over which there is disagreement as well.
I see a tiny flaw in the logic of your argument here.
On the one hand we have the inspired, inerrant, Holy Scriptures progressively revealed from the mouth of God to the mouth of the prophets by The Holy Spirit, and written down word by word in the language in which it was given, appearing from the time of Moses and Job until the death of the not-pope Beloved Apostle John The Theologian, at which time the Books of The Bible were closed with no further entries about 100 AD. That comprises about maybe 1,600 years of Divine Revelation.
On the other hand, we have about 1,900 years of uninspired, errant, fallible humans of limited intellect, knowledge, and vision of the future, baldly contradicting the Word of God as well as its faithful copiers, translators, and interpreters, to rewrite it and confuse the readers of its plain sense and common sense, assassinating its preachers and believers.
And all this is based on the cumulative effect of personal interpretations by influential people forcing their views on a credulous group of sycophants, calling their Romanist dominance "Sacred Tradition," denying the authority The God has fixed on His Word, and doing their say damndest to silence their opposition, condemning them all as "heretics."
I think you know what I'm going to tell you what to do with your twisted view as to who is doing all the inconsistent personal interpretation, whilst wagging their fingers at the reader adequately educated to make his/her own judgment on the reliability of the Bible as the sufficient rule of both faith and and practice.
That’ll leave an owe! ... On second thought, considering to whom it was addressed ...
If Peter was the rock upon which the Only True Church was established; I guess it explains why the angel told John to write about the ERRORs so many of them in Asia were involved in.
It takes the Greater to explain the Lesser.
Matthew 20:25-28
25 Jesus called them together and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. 26 Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, 27 and whoever wants to be first must be your slave— 28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”
Matthew 10:16-26
16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
24 The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.
25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?
26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.
You; are a HATEFUL Bigot!!
--CAtholic_Wannabe_Dude(Hail Mary!!!)
I've read something like that... somewhere... sometime...
Romans 14:21-23
It is good not to eat meat or to drink wine, or to do anything by which your brother stumbles. The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves. But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin.
I used to work with a fella that just rubbed me the wrong way.
Nothing major; just somethings that he did bugged me.
After trying to figger out a way to get along better with him; I found that the idiosyncrasies he had were also found in ME!
I was really being upset with myself and MY shortcomings!
That’s generally the case.
verga; I’ll stick up for you!
You have no tiny flaws!
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