Is There A Purgatory?

http://www.ovrlnd.com ^ | Unknown | Thomas F. Heinze

[terycarl]

You will believe whatever your denomination instructs you to believe, I imagine. And that is your call.

Catholicism is not a denomination, it is Christianity...denominations were invented so the various protesters could differentiate themselves from one another....

[mlizzy]

No!

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“Catholicism is not a denomination, it is Christianity...denominations were invented so the various protesters could differentiate themselves from one another....”

Nah. It’s just a denomination. It tries to claim it was first.

[mlizzy]

If done correctly, suffering is the one of the best means of eliminating impurity in one's own soul [eventually], and the soul of our neighbor. Pope St. Pius X said it best:

Holy Communion is the shortest and the safest way to Heaven. There are others: Innocence, for instance, but that is for little children. Penance, but we are afraid of it. Generous endurance of the trials of life, but when they come we weep and ask to be spared. The surest, easiest, shortest way is by the Eucharist.

[Mark17]

Isn't that where you dance under a stick???

LOL, yeah, I forgot about that one. I wasn't very limber, so I never did well at it.

[tired&retired]

“I fail to understand how the insufficient prayers of man can aid in the purification of anyone’s sins.”

It is not the prayers of man that purify the sins, it is the Holy Spirit, Jesus and Our Father in us that purifies the sins.

My Father is in me and I am in Him. The same is true for Jesus as He is in Our Father and Our Father is in Him. It is thorough our communing with Christ in us that Our Father that is in Christ is also in us. That is why Jesus is my savior as He brought Our Father to me.

The reason that prayer and meditation are critically important is that they are the methods that we utilize to tune our own consciousness to the levels where we can perceive Jesus and be one with Him. (This is actually the “raised up” of rapture) Just as you hear the difference between a bass, baritone or tenor, I feel the change in a person’s consciousness when they pray. It’s as though Jesus is on one channel and we are on a much lower channel, unable to hear each other, until either we pray and raise ourselves up or He, through the Holy Spirit reaches down to us.

I recently discovered an interesting physical attribute of prayer. In order to raise the frequency of our consciousness it must be focused upward and not horizontally. If we pray while we are angry at someone, or someone is angry at us, the horizontal connection diminishes our ability to move vertically. This is why resolving our conflict with others or forgiving others is important prior to our own prayer or worship. This is why the model prayer includes forgiving others as a pre-requisite to receiving forgiveness from God.

Freedom is critically important in order to have prayer work as otherwise we do not have our own free will or authority to change levels if we have surrendered it to another human being.

[tired&retired]

“Getting to heaven is not easy! Work and toil and suffer and pray and fast and pray some more. And then, maybe .....”

Getting to Heaven is easy, just stop trying, stay focused on Loving God with all your being, and allow it to happen.

Going to Heaven takes two things. First we must be focused on where we want to be, our destination. That is the first and most important commandment, i.e. “Love God.” Second, we must find and remove the obstacles to Love in our souls that become our anchors or ballast, preventing us from doing commandment number one. That is the reason for commandment number two, “Love your neighbor as yourself.” The “dying daily” part is actually the letting go of our anchors in this realm in order to tune our consciousness toward God. It’s also the getting rid of the old wineskin and old cloth as when we are full of our old selves we have no room for God.

Those two commandments together are the secret to entering Heaven.

[Elsie]

“As opposed to the bible ordered translated the Homosexual King James who was into witchcraft.

And yet...

...all of this stuff about HOMOs was LEFT in the bible: strange...

 

Genesis 13:13

Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.

Psalms 12:8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

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2 Peter 2

1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

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But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

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If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The Health Risks of gay sex.

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[Elsie]

“As opposed to the bible ordered translated the Homosexual King James who was into witchcraft.

And yet...

...THIS verse was LEFT in the bible: strange...

Exodus 22:18 KJV

Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live

[Elsie]

It might be an artifact of being translated from Spanish to Italian to English.

Possibly; but is there any PROOF that it was translated this way?

[tired&retired]

“If you are a believer in Christ YOU ARE A SAINT.”

Believing alone is not sufficient, but it is the necessary first step. Communing or being “One with Christ” is necessary and will happen if you truly believe.

I personally do not believe. I “know” with no room for any doubt. First I “Hoped,” then I “Believed,” and now I “Know with Certainty.”

[Elsie]

All the more reason to have a guiding Tradition; often things get lost in translation.

All the more reason to have things written down. Often things get added, removed or twisted in Tradition.

[Elsie]

The rest of her testimony is simply so much in line with authentic teaching that it simply must be true.

Luke 4:9-11

9 And he led Him to Jerusalem and had Him stand on the pinnacle of the temple, and said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down from here; 10 for it is written, 'HE WILL COMMAND HIS ANGELS CONCERNING YOU TO GUARD YOU,' 11 and, 'ON their HANDS THEY WILL BEAR YOU UP, SO THAT YOU WILL NOT STRIKE YOUR FOOT AGAINST A STONE.'"…

[tired&retired]

“hell is the total absence of God”

There is no such thing as the “total absence of God.” Hell is created by the illusion or belief that you are separate from God and that the “Light of His Love” shining upon you will kill your soul.

This is why in Matthew 13 Tares in the Wheat parable, the weeds were planted “while we were asleep.” The perception that we are separate from God is being asleep.

[Elsie]

“Deceived” though, into being what? A better person who loves not only herself but every other person much more than she ever did before? Someone who loves Jesus, much more than ever before? The Devil would do that? Really?

I submit it can only be deception to believe what she experienced was a deception. It’s pure insanity to believe what she reports is of the devil. It should be a reason for everyone to give pause and reflect on at least the possibility of “how much am *I* in error here?”

I see where a LOT of MORMONs get the reasonings that THEY have about THEIR scriptures and teachings!

[Elsie]

The Catechism is a statement of Catholic Faith and it is also an argument. Address the argument.

What a concept!

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"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours." — Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)

Therefore, if anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the lord himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole Church; or that the Roman Pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy: let him be anathema. — Vatican 1, Ses. 4, Cp. 1

[Elsie]

Out of this number, Bernard and myself went up to heaven without delay, three went to purgatory, and all the others fell into Hell.”

It sounds SO authentic; it MUST be true!

[Elsie]

It sounds so authentic it MUST be true!

[Elsie]

I appreciate what you are doing and your testimony based on experience.

I actually SAW the spoons bend myself!

[Elsie]

Jerome accepted the canon and you can’t make a judgment based on the exceptions.

Why not?