Is There A Purgatory?

http://www.ovrlnd.com ^ | Unknown | Thomas F. Heinze

[Elsie]

...if you deny His church, you deny Him.

Yeah...

I can just hear John now; REBUKING the angel after calling out the CATHOLIC CHURCH in ASIA!

[Elsie]

Make no mistake, souls in Purgatory ARE saved by the Cross....they are a little imperfect and require some "cleaning up" to enter Heaven....

Bob couldn't have said it better!

[.45 Long Colt]

“Sorry but I don’t recognize the catechism of your denomination as authoritative”

It’s wise to utterly dismiss it. That same catechism explicitly says, quoting Athanasius, that men will become “God.” The next sentence, quoting Aquinas, says we will become “gods.”

From the Vatican website: Paragraph 460

460 The Word became flesh to make us “partakers of the divine nature”:78 “For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God.”79 “For the Son of God became man so that we might become God.”80 “The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods.”81

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P1J.HTM

In defense of Rome, something I’m rarely inclined to do, I suspect that’s a poorly worded paragraph. In other words, it cannot be taken at face value (much as most of the quotes we read here daily from Francis), so I wouldn’t take anything else in that catechism at face value either.

[Elsie]

...but always making one proud of having paid attention in Catechism class!!!

Publicans say the funniest things!

[Elsie]

leave all the name calling out and just stay with the debate part using facts and resources.

But that would leave some with only pompousness, puffery, braggadocio and bragging in their lexicon.

[Elsie]

...when you don't have a logical argument, you resort to...

WHY WOULD ANYONE NOT BELIEVE IT

[Elsie]

The idea is present.

I'm glad to see that Sola Scriptura is FINALLY making some headway!

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[Elsie]

So I’m not the ONLY one who noted this.

[Elsie]

Warden over loudspeaker: I want to announce that today you are all FRE...

Prisoners: YEA! Yea! YEA!!!!

Warden:...E and are going to be release....

Prisoners: YEA! Yea! YEA!!!!

Warden:...d as soon are you get cleaned up. For some; it will be a bit longer than others.

Prisoners: WHAT the... $*^^#*%*

Warden: I kniow this is upsetting to some of you; but GOD make the rules; not me!

[Elsie]

I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven.

I've heard of a man in Salt Lake City...

HEAVEN-The Mormon church teaches there are three levels of heaven (three "degrees of glory"):

Celestial - for Mormons who have kept ALL of the laws and ordinances of their church.

Terrestrial - for religious people who aren't Mormons and for Mormons who have not met the requirements of the Church.

Telestial - where unbelievers go

 

 

 

HELL: A place of torment from which the worst of sinners are resurrected (if they repent) into the Telestial kingdom; only a limited number remain in hell forever, - the devil and the demons and apostates who consciously reject and work against Mormonism.

 

SALVATION: A word that Mormons qualify in one of three ways: unconditional or general salvation is simply resurrection from the dead, granted to all through Christ's atonement; conditional or individual salvation involves entering the celestial kingdom through works of Mormonism; full salvation means exaltation to become a God as a result of temple ceremonies and other works. The word 'salvation' can have a two-fold meaning: a) forgiveness of sins and b) universal resurrection:

• "There will be a General Salvation for all in the sense in which that term is generally used, but salvation, meaning resurrection, is not exaltation" (Stephen L. Richards, Contributions of Joseph Smith, LDS tract, p.5).
• "All men are saved by grace alone without any act on their part, meaning they are resurrected" (Bruce McConkie, What Mormons Think of Christ", LDS tract, p.28).

The Mormons have several different levels of "salvation".

• General salvation- in Mormon theology, the death of Christ ransoms men from the effects of the fall (Mormon Doctrine, p.62), except for a few sons of perdition who fell with Lucifer. Thus, all mankind will eventually receive general salvation because all men will be resurrected.
• Individual salvation - to obtain individual salvation, the standards set forth by the Mormon church must be met. This comes by grace plus baptism plus works.
• Exaltation - different degrees of exaltation
• Eternal life on the other hand is reserved for the elite few who qualify and are found worthy of this "honor" or "reward" and who will move on to be "exalted." This salvation is in fact the personal "exaltation" or the fast track of the "eternal progression" process in attaining your own self-made status of godhood in order to people your own planet.

[Elsie]

...since he was going to die anyway.

Ain't we all?

[ShadowAce]

Ain't we all?

That remains to be seen.

[Mercat]

I hope you found the second post I made after I realized that I had not formatted the first one. I’m so sorry.

[MayflowerMadam]

If there is a Purgatory, there is an Oz.

[Grateful2God]

Opinion stated as fact. Doesn’t work with this Catholic.

[Mercat]

We are adopted sons and daughters of God through Jesus. Oh, and Christianity is monotheistic. Just speaking the truth. “I believe in one God, the Father Almighty.....”

[.45 Long Colt]

My point regarded the CCC.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“somewhere along the line you lost it.”

Rather, believers studied the totality of Scripture and dropped transubstantiation as the eusogesis of pagan belief.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“LXX was long before the first Christians.”

Yes FRiend. Yet this doesn’t further your cause. Secular King of Egypt commissions a translation of everything he can find to build a library. Nice library. Not a Jewish Canon.

... But the apocryphal books were not part of the Jewish Canon.

Best to you

[Ductos Exemplo]

“Freepers: Not as smart as I’d hoped they’d be”???

barack hussein obama would agree

united we stand....divided we fall

president hillary clinton

very good possibility