Posted on 08/09/2015 11:06:27 AM PDT by Old Yeller
God's word says NOTHING about 24 hours...time is measured by those present and He was the only one present and 24 hours is meaningless to HIM...The first day was His and could have lasted a million years...time is of no concern to God.
That is true, and faith in Christ means follow the church which He Himself founded....the Catholic church...if you deny His church, you deny Him.
Make no mistake, souls in Purgatory ARE saved by the Cross....they are a little imperfect and require some "cleaning up" to enter Heaven....they know that they are saved and glory in the knowledge that they will soon be with Christ.
43 And making a gathering, he sent twelve thousand drachms of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection,
44 (For if he had not hoped that they that were slain should rise again, it would have seemed superfluous and vain to pray for the dead,)
45 And because he considered that they who had fallen asleep with godliness, had great grace laid up for them.
46 It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.
If this information below is correct, Tertullian (230) is the first to mention prayers for the dead.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer_for_the_dead#Judaism
Not once did Jesus, Paul, Peter, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, James record prayers for or the admonission to pray for the dead.
Oh, come on...they are the most entertaining things on here. Seeing how others think and reason is more than interesting sometimes requiring a face palm, but always making one proud of having paid attention in Catechism class!!!
ALL Christians believed that until one thousand six hundred years after the fact when someone decided that they could teach otherwise.....when you decide to go off on your own and reinterpret Christian teachings, you miss out on a lot.....like Transubstantiation for example.....Catholics have the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ in the Eucharist....protestants have a cracker and grape juice.
What "cleaning up" is needed when we have this from Paul in Colossians 2:9-14?
For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, 10and
in Him you have been made complete,
and He is the head over all rule and authority; 11and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ; 12having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.
13When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him,
having forgiven us all our transgressions,
14having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us;
and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
If this is insufficient.....then nothing remains that can be done to "clean up" someone.
Debate is interesting, vile filthy attacks are not.
On this there is complete agreement. I learn more from these discussions than in a lot of other studies I've been in.
Then give us the Scripture that supports purgatory from the “COMPLETE” Bible.
Your say so that it’s in there isn’t enough.
I agree....leave all the name calling out and just stay with the debate part using facts and resources.
“ALL Christians believed that until one thousand six hundred years after the fact when someone decided that they could teach otherwise.....when you decide to go off on your own and reinterpret Christian teachings, you miss out on a lot.....like Transubstantiation for example.....Catholics have the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ in the Eucharist....protestants have a cracker and grape juice. “
Thanks for sharing your beliefs.
If you go back before the first Christians, Jews did not recognize the Apocrypha.
As to the rest, I am aware that Catholics believe in transubstantiation. Hundreds of millions of other Christians do not.
Best.
What was St. Paul talking about when he referred to “making up in our bodies what is lacking in the sufferings of Christ”?
Christians are perfect when they are in Christ, when they are born of the Spirit. The new nature is perfect.
The only sin left is in the flesh, and when this body of flesh dies, all that’s left is the perfect new nature.
LXX was long before the first Christians.
yes the republican party..sigh..
Consider the source...when you don't have a logical argument, you resort to name calling and insults....makes you feel better!!!
Martin Luther did...in fact he had the capability of performing it....somewhere along the line you lost it....TRAGIC......if Christ said it, did it, and gave HIS CHURCH THE AUTHORITY AND POWER TO DO IT.....WHY WOULD ANYONE NOT BELIEVE IT???????????? whoops, hit the caps button
The Hebrew indicates a 24 hour day as we understand it.
He wasn't talking about suffering for HIS OWN body or to pay for anyone's sins.
And the word *purgatory* comes in exactly where?
Also from Colossians 1......
Colossians 1:13-14 He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
We HAVE redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
We are already transferred into Christ's kingdom, past tense. We HAVE salvation already, which of necessity means that our sins are already forgiven.
If they weren't forgiven, we wouldn't have salvation.
If we have to pay for our own sins, when what are we being saved FROM?
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