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To: redgolum
I have a friend on another site who once said “The Roman Catholic Church has survived the centuries by making sure to not anger the strongest kingdom.” At that time, we were talking about something else, but with this situation I often think of that.

What if Thomas More had said that?

One thing for certain, Donald Wuerl is no John Fisher.

13 posted on 07/22/2015 6:56:29 PM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley

Look at the price the Catholic church paid for More, and for not granting Henry VIII what many Kennedy men today have been granted multiple times.

That was one of the examples, if I remember right. Thomas More made a principled stand in a highly political issue, and the Catholic church made one of its greatest enemies in England and the later Empire.

Notice that annulments were more common after that among crown heads and powerful leaders. Today it is not even considered an issue when the average person gets an annulment.

Not to throw to many rocks, all the synods and churches will have to face this issue. A great many will compromise to survive in the visible form, like many (including the Catholic church) did in the old Soviet Empire. Many will also go underground, or die a martyrs death. But for large institutions, the temptation to preserve the corporation at the expense of doctrine will be very, very, strong.


14 posted on 07/22/2015 7:07:30 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: markomalley

“Donald Wuerl is no John Fisher.”

Truer words were never spoken, Markomalley!


19 posted on 07/22/2015 11:31:17 PM PDT by 2tipsea (What can I say?)
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To: markomalley

Donna Wuerl is scarcely a bishop of any sort, and only in the most technical sense. The girl is a hireling, not a shepherd.


21 posted on 07/23/2015 5:04:18 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roeas is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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