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Posted on 07/21/2015 4:48:44 PM PDT by Salvation
The Holy Spirit is not going to enter those that have other gods. Thus, that first commandment is still in effect. No way around it. What is no longer the law is the requirement to sacrifice 'blood' for the remission of sin.
Pelagianism is the belief that original sin did not taint human nature and that mortal will is still capable of choosing good or evil without special Divine aid. - Wikipedia
No problem. :)
Your misunderstanding is a common one.
Only those that are outside the law are under the law.
Those upon whose hearts the law has been written are not under the law because we literally live the law.
Rather amusing that you believe John and Paul to be so wrong.
Who would you turn to?
Let no one therefore judge you in eating, or in drinking, or with respect to a feast day or a new moon or a Sabbath day, which are a shadow of the things to come; but the body is Christ's. Let no one rob you of your prize by a voluntary humility and worshipping of the angels, dwelling in the things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, and not holding firmly to the Head, from whom all the body, being supplied and knit together through the joints and ligaments, grows with God's growth.
If you died with Christ from the elements of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to ordinances, "Don't handle, nor taste, nor touch" (all of which perish with use), according to the precepts and doctrines of men? Which things indeed appear like wisdom in self-imposed worship, and humility, and severity to the body; but aren't of any value against the indulgence of the flesh. Col 2:13- WEB
What ever did you have in mind?
...”How does one demonstrate they ‘rely and are in Jesus Christ’? ...Not to all the people, but to the Heavenly Father?”....
Why would you see a need to “demonstrate” you are in Christ to the Heavenly Father when He IS God...when he clearly states...”I know the ones I have chosen”...and ...”My sheep hear My voice, and ‘I know them’, and they follow Me”... But if any man love God, the same is known of him.
John 13:18....John 10:27...John 10:4,8,16..ICor.8:3
I could bring beer?
"...you do not believe because you are not my sheep."
The reason they do not believe is BECAUSE they are not His sheep.
Ah, the 'chosen'. (Eph. 1:4) Paul says the chosen (elect) were chosen 'before the foundation of the world'. (This is the Greek word katabole, which means casting down - overthrow) Genesis 1:2. Meaning, they are the ones, like Paul, justified... And yet Paul showed what his passion was before he took that trip to Damascus. Now, what was Saul's/Paul's problem. Well, one only need to read Stephen's sermon in the book of Acts, to see what those of the religious order were against.
Stephen did give a really decent sermon on Christianity and its early beginnings all the way back in the 'Old Testament'.
...”By this logic everybody is saved”...
Not at all....only those who come to Him for Salvation and accept the gift of life he offers.
.... When they do so there is no longer a “record against them” as is written...’having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness (the law), which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross....and further...having ‘disarmed’ the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.
Jesus’s last words on our behalf,... “It is finished.”
At that moment the veil of the temple, (of sacrifices and priesthood), which separated man from God was torn in two from top to bottom.…the way fully open for man to enter boldly into the presence of God, without further sacrifices or priesthood...and this by his blood which paid the price for our sins which had doomed us. He is now our Great High Priest, Savior and coming King.
(Noteworthy is this veil was gigantic and was torn “top to bottom”...no man could have ever done that.)
Colossians 2:14,15, John 19:30
You need to know it’s very difficult understanding where you’re coming from you seem to be responding with an opinion which isn’t addressing the flow of the conversation and instead moving it to some ‘other point’ you’re attempting to make.?????
Clearly no one could argue that God wouldn’t know those who are His...equally as much the ones who are not...and this throughout History past, present and future.
So again why would you see a need to “demonstrate” to God that you are in Christ?
Generally, I do not disagree.... But anybody with another god(s) is not asking Him for squat. Thus, one would need to keep that first commandment to know enough to go to Him seeking Salvation.
...”The reason they do not believe is BECAUSE they are not His sheep”....
That is true but does not mean they won’t be....we too were not His before we were.
As a Catholic I never have to say a Rosary.
It’s not a condition for my salvation.
Do you as a catholic believe saying the Rosary shortens your time in purgatory?
It’s not a condition for my salvation.
Very true; I was just asking about when one prays the Rosary, does not one invoke a prayer to Mary? That's all I was asking about....
Hoss
One can hope, anyway +
...”There is no ‘grace’ or Holy Spirit in those that have other gods. That law is still in effect.”....
True, but we are discussing those who are seeking Him and the way to salvation....or those who want to know the truth of how to be free from their sin....be it they worship another God or not....
It is after all the Holy Spirit’s work to move the individual’s heart and mind to want to know what God says regarding salvation....for we are saved ‘through’ the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth....For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
However we also know that because some do not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. ..and for this reason... God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe what is false...
2 Thess.2:13...I Thess: 5:9
I responded to your claim about the law no longer being applicable. The 'subject' is How to Go to Heaven. Well, do I need to quote all the places wherein the prophets and apostles penned that when the flesh dies the soul returns to the Maker that sent it? That means all souls return to the Maker that sent them. Then there is a time for unfettered teaching.... called the LORD's Day. After that there is to be a 'testing' to allow each soul to decide if they wish to live or they wish to die.
The parable of the rich man says there is a gulf separating the overcomers from those that did things their own way. When the last soul takes this flesh journey then this flesh age ends.
Clearly no one could argue that God wouldn’t know those who are His...equally as much the ones who are not...and this throughout History past, present and future. So again why would you see a need to “demonstrate” to God that you are in Christ?
God does not like lazy people, He blesses those that 'work', baring a disability. Thus 'work' is a demonstration of belief. And God does not hand out welfare checks, or sets up soup kitchens for the lazy. Or send His Spirit to the children who worship other gods. They are on their own. Notice I did not say anything about 'working' for salvation.
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