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We disagree on ‘the cause’......you seem to be saying that the reason we have gay marriage today is because of ‘societies’ rejection of natural sex and fertility.

I’m saying that ‘the cause’ is man’s deliberate refusal of ‘acknowledging God’ and self-denial... a turning away from HIM who they are aware of and denying the truth.......and in doing so ‘the consequences’ are twisted sexual behaviors which are the “result” not the cause.

“For “THIS REASON” God gave them up to vile passions.....”... For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. ...Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, ‘burned in their lust for one another’, men with men committing what is shameful, and...RECEIVING in themselves THE PENALTY of their error which was due. ...Rom. 1

The fact is God spoke against homosexuality LONG BEFORE our society faced this marital issue...........Lev. 18:22-25.... “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. ‘Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion. Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; (Important)...”for by all these the nations are defiled”..... which I am casting out before you. ‘For the land is defiled; therefore I visit the punishment of its iniquity upon it, and the land vomits out its inhabitants.”..

..So this is nothing new, it is ancient, and God spoke a warning against this behavior long ago. Further we know that that homosexuality is a learned BEHAVIOR.... (Homosexuality is the ultimate end of expressing the freedom one has in their ‘sinful nature’)... This is proven because many have stopped practicing it.

One editorialist writes:... “How can (homosexual) people be happy when they’re persistently ‘deceiving themselves’, believing that it is just as natural for sperm to swim into feces as it is to swim into eggs?”

The ultimate cause of death, perversion and every misery, is sin, i.e. the rejection of God.

One perversion helps another along, as there is a kind of "solidarity in sin."

I think we're both agreed on that.

One editorialist writes:... “How can (homosexual) people be happy when they’re persistently ‘deceiving themselves’, believing that it is just as natural for sperm to swim into feces as it is to swim into eggs?”

Or as natural as it is for sperm to swim into latex or spermicidal foam? ;-)