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To: RnMomof7; metmom; imardmd1; verga; af_vet_1981; HossB86; Campion; Chicory; Petrosius; Mrs. Don-o; ..
I have offered this to one of the apologists privately. I will try to offer it here openly.

1 Cor 11:27 is Paul's warning to the believers at Corinth that taking the communion REMEBRANCE of bread and wine unworthily makes the one guilty of the body and blood of Jesus. This warning only is understood by the GENTILE believers at Corinth because Paul would have taught them the Levitical laws, which include Lev 3:17.

In the Upper Room discourse, Jesus instituted a REMEBRANCE of what He was about to do with His Body and Blood at Calvary. By partaking of the bread and wine IN REMEMBRANCE of His sacrifice, the partaker connects spiritually to the SPIRIT LIFE Jesus came to offer to those who will believe in Him, not eat Him, believe in Him.

God's Life does not, repeat DOES NOT, get into the believer via the gastric system. That Life is Spirit and is ONLY placed into the believer by God's Spirit, not a human priest holding up a 'transubstantiated wafer'. God's Life is Holy Spirit Life as the earnest of our inheritance, our inheritance of adoption into God's family headed by Christ. God puts THAT LIFE spark into the believer at the moment they believe in Jesus as Savior and Lord.

The Corinthian believers had a History they would know of eating the food sacrificed to idols and in eating the food they were told to believe they ingested their idol's life into them. Paul would have taught these previous idol worshippers that God has condemned the cannibalizing of the blood of the creature, for the Life of the creature is in the blood of the creature ... the creature life is in the blood, and when Cain slew his brother and shed his blood upon the Earth, the curse went to the earth. That curse would heap up in those who would drink the blood of any creature offered to God.

Paul used that lesson to warn the Corinthians that if they brought enmity to the communion REMEBRANCE of what Jesus accomplished on the Cross then they would not receive the spirit life conveyed through the remembrance (not the idol worship eating of the idol god), instead they would be guilty of violating the law in Leviticus 3:17, spiritually heaping upon themselves not Spirit life but condemnation for cannibalizing the creature life in the blood.

Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin. So Jesus shed His blood ONCE for ALL Forever at Calvary. His blood had no fallen nature, so His creature life in His blood was the pure sacrifice for the laws of sin and death. That blood is not ingested to receive God's Life in us. It has already been applied to the intended purpose. To even imagine one eats God's divinity and soul in a wafer is blasphemy, at once heaping condemnation for cannibalism upon the soul of the offender.

708 posted on 07/06/2015 9:53:23 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: rwa265

Meant to ping you, too. Sorry


709 posted on 07/06/2015 9:54:16 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: NKP_Vet; Iscool; infool7

Have no ping list, but meant to ping you, too.


710 posted on 07/06/2015 9:56:44 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: daniel1212

Meant to ping you too @708.


711 posted on 07/06/2015 10:01:29 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: NKP_Vet

You can take this post @708 as my answer to your insistence on the other thread that Catholics must drink the blood of Christ to have His Life in them!


712 posted on 07/06/2015 10:04:52 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Diamond; Mark17

Sorry, meant to include you in the “to” line at post @708 ... pingalingaling


713 posted on 07/06/2015 10:06:42 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN
God's Life does not, repeat DOES NOT, get into the believer via the gastric system.

Well put.

721 posted on 07/06/2015 12:14:11 PM PDT by DungeonMaster (Of those born of women there is not risen one greater than John The Baptist.)
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To: Alex Murphy

You might find the comments from Catholics on this thread of interest. The blatancy of the blindness is astonishing in its boldness.


728 posted on 07/06/2015 1:06:10 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN

Scripture says THIS about the Eucharist:

John 6: [48] I am the bread of life.

[49] Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died.

[50] This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat of it and not die.

[51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh.”

[52]The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”

[53] So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you;
[54] he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. (The Greek word here for “eats” means to “munch on”, or to “gnaw on.”)

[55] For my flesh is REAL FOOD, and my blood is REAL DRINK.(Notice how Jesus says the Eucharist is REAL FOOD and REAL DRINK, not symbolic food and drink!)

[56] He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.

[57] As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me.

[58] This is the bread which came down from heaven, not such as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live for ever.”

Many of his disciples left him over this, because they knew that he wasn’t speaking metaphorically, but literally. We know from Mark 4:34 that Jesus explained all of His parables to His disciples, but yet here they are leaving him after this speech about the Eucharist. The only conclusion logical people can draw is that THIS IS NO PARABLE!

And we have the words recorded from the successors to the apostles, like Ignatius, a martyr in the Colisseum of Rome who was taught by St. John the Apostle, which prove that Jesus wasn’t talking in “symbolic” terms!

St. Ignatius of Antioch (110 A.D.)

I have no taste for corruptible food nor for the pleasures of this life. I desire the Bread of God, WHICH IS THE FLESH OF JESUS CHRIST, who was of the seed of David; and for drink I DESIRE HIS BLOOD, which is love incorruptible. (Letter to the Romans 7:3)

Take care, then, to use one Eucharist, so that whatever you do, you do according to God: FOR THERE IS ONE FLESH OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, and one cup IN THE UNION OF HIS BLOOD; one ALTAR, as there is one bishop with the presbytery… (Letter to the Philadelphians 4:1)

They [i.e. the Gnostics] abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not confess that THE EUCHARIST IS THE FLESH OF OUR SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in his goodness, raised up again. (Letter to Smyrnians 7:1)


761 posted on 07/06/2015 4:05:26 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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