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To: MHGinTN
Were you responding to the Nicene Creed?

I find it aggravating to have to deal over and over again with non-Catholics "telling me" what *I* believe, when so much of it is so flabbergastingly misstated that it's unrecognizable as Catholicism.

Don't tell me what *I* believe. You haven't the competence. Tell me what *you* believe.

Your run-down ofCatholic doctrines and practices is hard to respond to unless I know what we have in common. I know we have the Bible in common and I was wondering about the Creed.

This is for clarification's sake. I'm interested in what you believe.

616 posted on 07/04/2015 10:19:22 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("I am not ashamed of the gospel of Jesus: the power of God who brings salvation to all who believe.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I have told catholics what your religion teaches about, Jesus, Mary, the Eucharist, purgatory, the sacraments, beads and brown scalpuli, and salvation. I don't know what you believe and have not asserted such, but that seems to have skipped notice. I have also told catholics what I BELIEVE, in numerous posts. A stroll back throught his thread right to the first twenty posts will reveal what I believe.

Unlike the catholicism religion, I believe I am saved by my faithe in Jesus The Christ as my Savior and Lord. This is a moment in time Jesus called being born from above. I have been born from above by His spirit and His Holy Spirit indwells me now, not after striving along some salvation trail, trying to obtain salvation on the installment plan of catholic sacraments and priestly mystical rites of cannibalization.

Here is the Gospel of Good News as the Bible teaches it:

Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved right then, and God will put His Holy Spirit spark of spiritual life in you that moment never to leave you.

Proof texts are John 3:14As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

John 6:28They said therefore to him, "What must we do, that we may work the works of God?" 29Jesus answered them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent."

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Romans 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galatians 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Hebrews 11:3 - 31 ... all by faith

1 Peter 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Using the feminine pronoun to liven things up a bit, 'It is by faith ye are saved, that not of works lest any woman boast' (Eph 2:9) of her baptism, of her faithfulness to the catholic sacraments, of her rosary worship time, of her charity, of her deeds for the needy, of her transubstantiated wafers eaten, of her time in purgatory.

617 posted on 07/04/2015 10:52:01 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; MHGinTN

I don’t see anywhere where he is telling you what you believe.

I didn’t see him say. “ You believe......”.

What he is doing it showing what Catholicism teaches. We also recognize that most Catholics do not beleive everything their church teaches, even if they can figure out exactly what that is.

And to preclude any request of what that might be, the question remains as to whether those outside the Cathoilc church are saved or can be saved. Both the CCC and on the ground Catholics including FRoman Catholics, are all over te map on this.


635 posted on 07/05/2015 6:11:57 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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