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To: Mrs. Don-o; metmom
>>The Divine Savior is not going to knock us out cold and drag us by the hair into Heaven to be loved.<<

Genesis 15:12 Now when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and behold, terror and great darkness fell upon him.

The entire covenant with Abraham was after he was put to sleep. God enacted both sides of the covenant.

390 posted on 07/03/2015 10:49:07 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear
"The entire covenant with Abraham was after he was put to sleep. God enacted both sides of the covenant."

My dear, this is not the same as the Divine Savior "knocking us out cold and dragging us by the hair into Heaven to be loved."

Genesis 15 says that Abraham brought the heifer, the she-goat, the ram, the turle-dove and the pigeon for sacrifice and split them in two, fulfilling the commandment of the Lord. (He did this willingly, not after being hypnotized, lobotomized or knocked out cold.)

Then, it says God put him in a "deep sleep" --- again, not that he was unconscious or bereft of his mind, his intelligence and will. Quite the opposite, Abraham can remember every part of what happened: this is not sleep in the sense of "unconscious," but sleep in the sense of a trance state in which he is fully aware.

You can hardly say that God makes covenants with no participation on the part of the covenant-partner, because this is disproved right in the text.

Chapter 17 describes the covenant of Circumcision, in which Abraham's obedient compliance is signified by his circumcising himself and all of the males of his progeny forever. As always, there is the requirement that he "keep" the covenant.

There's no proof that God is indifferent as to whether we "keep" the covenant or "keep" the commandments.

2 John 1:6
This is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands.

398 posted on 07/03/2015 11:33:10 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("If they refuse to listen even to the Church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.")
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