Claiming what I posted is what catholics believe doesn't make it so. Catholicism is an installment plan salvation. I did not show you an installment plan, I showed you where the Bible prove Salvation is immediate, evidenced by God's Spirit coming into believers immediately upon their believing the same profession Peter uttered to Jesus.
catholicism does not allow adherents to believe they're born from above as soon as they place their faith in Christ. It may allow the adherent to believe they have been started along the installment plan toward obtaining salvation, and the rest of the installments are through the sacraments and then purgatory. These are contradictory to what the Bible teaches and ILLUSTRATES.
Justification is not something you can obtain by following an installment plan of sacraments and bead reading and confessionals and Brown scalpuli wor and kissed. It is by Grace you are Justified through Faith in Jesus Christ. The truly repentant heart God will in no wise cast out and His response to such an heart is immediate, as evidenced again at Pentecost and in the house of Cornelius.
Once you are Justified you are IMMEDIATELY adopted into God's family, born from above to never ever be out of His family BY HIS PROMISE TO THOSE WHO BELIEVE in He Whom God sent to be Savior and Lord. This is not what your religion teaches. Be honest. You know this is not what your catholic religion teaches.
I have asked twice for a catholic apologist to post a list of the things which catholicism requires in order be 'born from above'. She will not post a list. Will you? Will you honestly post a list of catholic requirements for Salvation and tell us honestly if Salvation is immediate by the Washing Of Regeneration through the blood of Christ?
And if you will be honest, look then at the blasphemy of the catholic Mass which asserts to the adherents that the priest bring Jesus Christ down from Heaven to be body, blood, soul and divinity, truly real and substantial in the wafer the priest is holding up for the adherents to say amen to.
Jesus shed His blood. He was not a victim. Yet the Catechism states that the priest at Mass places the victim on the catholic altar, as if the real Jesus Christ has been magically transported to the earth for consumption by those present at the Mass. Jesus refutes this foolery by telling His Disciples He will not set foot on Earth again until the Second Coming, at the end of the Great Tribulation.
And this notion of purgatory is also a blasphemy against what Scriptures teach clearly. The catholic church claims Mary can shorten your time in purgatory, that fingering the 59 beads of the Rosary can influence Mary to shorten your time in purgatory. That you can pray and do penance for those whoa re supposedly in purgatory and shorten their time there. This is utter paganism writ large in cahtolicism.
Catholic apologists deny that they are taught to worship Mary. But what else is it when the catechisms of your religion assert she is a mediatrix and co-redemptrix with Christ Jesus and that you can and should pray to her for whatever. Yes, these heresies are in the catholic catechism.
Your chosen religion is not Christianity, it is cahtolicism. Your religion teaches a different Jesus from the Bible. Your religion teaches pagan demigoddess servitude. That gentle man, John Paul II dedicated his pontificate to Mary, not Jesus, to Mary!
Cahtolicism is a religion posing as Christianity but is far from God's heart. The poor deluded adherents, sincere though they are, do not have Eternal Life in the now, for they are being taught it must come to them in installments, administered by the church authority. Not God's authority, the church's authority, which is wholly based in magic thinking and magic rites not delivered by God to men.
No matter how devout, if catholics continue to adhere to the blasphemous catholic ism they will die in their sins and there is no such magical cleaner as purgatory to remove the condemnation they will dive into their graves with. BUT God in His mercy has allowed time yet to obtain Salvation IMMEDIATELY and be born from above top have His Life in you forever more. Jesus died and rose again Once for All, Forever. He is not sacrificed a victim day after day in catholic Mass of wafers.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Jesus shed His blood. He was not a victim.
The definition of "victim" from Merriam-Webster:
1: a living being sacrificed to a deity or in the performance of a religious riteNotice definition 1:2: one that is acted on and usually adversely affected by a force or agent <the schools are victims of the social system>: as
a (1) : one that is injured, destroyed, or sacrificed under any of various conditions <a victim of cancer> <a victim of the auto crash> <a murder victim> (2) : one that is subjected to oppression, hardship, or mistreatment <a frequent victim of political attacks>
b : one that is tricked or duped <a con man's victim>