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To: daniel1212
"...by treating even proabortion/sodomite/Muslim public figures as members in life and in death, then Rome manifests to the people what she really means by what she officially says."

(1) Muslims are not Catholics. They are not baptised nor believers in the Trinity, and it's by baptism that a person enters the Catholic church.

(2) Proabortion/sodomites: The Church is indeed full of sinners. It's a scandalous matter of pastoral malpractice that unrepentant manifest sinners are not disciplined on the basis of Canon 915, which states that unrepentant manifest grave sinners are not to be admitted to Holy Communion. Former top canonical judge Cardinal Raymond Burke --- whose ruling still stands--- ruled that this means barring Catholic politicians who advocate/promote/sponsor/legislate grave sins.

Are the prelates who violate Canon 915 by admitting these pols to Communion, thereby objectively committing grave sin themselves? Yes, they are. Is it the sort of sin that, unrepented, will lead to eternal damnation? Yes, it is.

35 posted on 06/28/2015 8:09:44 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; who put darkness for light and light for darkness...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
(1) Muslims are not Catholics. They are not baptised nor believers in the Trinity, and it's by baptism that a person enters the Catholic church.

How is that even relevant as an answer to the fact that Rome treats even proabortion/sodomite/Muslim public figures (such Ted Kennedy Caths) as members in life and in death?

. It's a scandalous matter of pastoral malpractice that unrepentant manifest sinners are not disciplined on the basis of Canon 915, which states that unrepentant manifest grave sinners are not to be admitted to

At least you admit it, but RCs promote a church, and this is their church.

Former top canonical judge Cardinal Raymond Burke --- whose ruling still stands--

No, he is not the pope, and the pope effectively demoted U.S. Cardinal Raymond Burke by removing him as prefect of the Apostolic Signatura, the final court of appeal for any ecclesiastical judgement to a largely ceremonial role at a Rome-based Catholic charity. And which was after Burke was replaced by the liberal Cardinal Donald Wuerl on the Congregation for Bishops, the church body that selects new bishops. All of which hardly seems confirmatory of his judgment.

Are the prelates who violate Canon 915 by admitting these pols to Communion, thereby objectively committing grave sin themselves?

Not according to the leadership you are supposes to look to, and follow as a docile sheep, but instead you are more like a Protestant who rejects the validity of pastoral teaching and actions based upon your judgment of what historical documents say. But which also teach your one duty is to follow the pastors as a docile sheep.

39 posted on 06/29/2015 3:17:43 PM PDT by daniel1212 (uiredm,)
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