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To: stonehouse01
You wrote, "Somehow God kept Christians from the “correct” (i.e. no sacraments) understanding if the the Truth for 1500 years!" What a twisted way to state something! I'll illustrate the technique used for twisting: God has kept no man from the Truth; the catholic church? Not so much. ... See how that way of phrasing is subtly misleading, open for double-minded hearing?

Jesus stated clearly that God has those Promised for Jesus in His Hand. And Jesus stated clearly that He has His in His hand. That makes two hands holding the Saved, the Delivered, the born from above into His family.

Jesus goes on to assert no man can take them or snatch them from those two hands. That 'no man' includes you, when you are born from above. Why? Because you did not birth yourself into His family, He did it. So the assurance of Salvation, the absolute guarantee of Delivered from the law of sin and death is made by God's Promise, and no man, not even you, would be able to take you out of His family grasp.

I know that's a hard saying for a catholic to comprehend, but it is the essence of how people are 'kept from the Truth' that this simple explanation is not sufficient for the 'salvation' offered by catholicism. And that is by design, the Nicolaitan design which empowers the institution at the expense of immortal souls.

A born from above Christian is obedient to family character traits, which of course are shown in the Ten Commandments revealing the Nature of God ... God is not a man that He could lie, or steal, or commit adultery or murder or ... well, you should get the gist.

The New Covenant Jesus delivered (Luke 22:15-20), sealed in Christ's Blood is this, that God has taken Christ's death upon the Cross as penalty paid for violating the laws of sin and death. That done, God raised Him from the dead and has Christ's blood covering the Mercy Seat above the law of sin and death, so that the newly Justified spirit of a believer, any believer, is free to approach God's throne as His adopted child approaching his father.

This adoption is accomplished by the most astonishing Truth too many catholics miss, that God puts His LIFE in the born form above, so that His LIFE can raise you up in the Way that you should go as a family member. So that we may cry out "Abba, Father".

110 posted on 06/28/2015 8:55:52 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN

“...What a twisted way to say something! ...it is a hard saying for a catholic to comprehend...”

It is not twisted to state that God would not have kept people completely ignorant of the way to salvation until Luther came along and got rid of the sacraments and found justification by faith alone in his personal version of the bible that he translated into German with errors.

This a clear declaration of fact due to God’s nature as all good: God is merciful and just and it would be against His nature to withhold the Truth of salvation for all of those years. The early Christians writings clearly refer to the sacraments.

Luther added the words “alone” to his personal bible translation in Romans 3:28.

He freely admits that he did so: “If your papist annoys you with that word (alone) tell him Martin Luther will have it so”

Clearly Martin Luther felt himself to be infallible.

This pertains to this discussion and Luther must be brought into it because the error rapidly multiplied and ended up in the Tyndale bible. The Tyndale bible used Martin Luther’s bible as a template which in turn was the precursor to the KJV (mis) translation and the root cause of the widespread heretical doctrine of once saved always saved.

This was the seed of the false traditional protestant doctrine of faith alone that is being handed on to this day.

These are historical facts that have not been twisted. It is on the internet if one searches for Church history and avoids the hate and error filled anti catholic websites that perpetuate propaganda.

“God has kept no man from the Truth the Catholic Church not so much.”

The Catholic Church does not withhold Truth. One only has to obtain a Catechism of the Catholic Church and read it to see that the Truth is not withheld. Buy one and read it and see if any Truth is withheld, including all the scripture references that uphold the doctrines.

“hard for a catholic to comprehend...”

The Church teaches assurance of salvation as well, if one is a state of grace, so the concept is actually not difficult at all for a Catholic to comprehend.

“Born from above” is baptism. It is the actual water that regenerates from the power of the Holy Spirit (John 3:5) when the baptism is done in the name of the Trinity. The water referred to is NOT amniotic fluid. Nowhere in the entire Greek lexicon of the New Testament is water (hudor) ever referred to as amniotic fluid. Water is water. Also see Acts 2:38 and 22:16

Baptism is the assurance for Catholics that they will be saved and placed in a state of grace.

This grace can be lost by the commission of a heinous act of sin. A murderer, rapist or worse is able to sin and state that he has Faith and still goes straight to heaven?

The ten commandments and the instructions found in the beatitudes are the laws of the New Covenant that must be obeyed. Matthew 25:41 clearly states what happens to those who ignore the instructions in Matthew 5:31-46

This is absurd and contradicts the scripture that only the perfect are in heaven, and be perfect as your father in heaven is perfect. Matthew 5:48

This concept of once saved always saved is actually dangerous because it gives a man license to sin:

Martin Luther: “Sin and sin boldly ... Sin cannot destroy in us the kingdom of the Lamb, even if we should fornicate or murder a million times a day.”

This is not twisting or “hard for Catholics to comprehend”. This is the actual correct Catholic position without the distorted thinking that accompanies the “explained” (wrongly) version of Catholicism that non Catholics are taught.


289 posted on 06/29/2015 6:40:21 AM PDT by stonehouse01
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