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To: metmom
According your catechism, the sacrifice of the mass is an unbloody one, which is worthless killing, because without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. Jesus shed His blood. And CCC says it's bloodless.

If you are going to reference the Catechism of the Catholic Church then give a complete reference:

1367 The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice: "The victim is one and the same: the same now offers through the ministry of priests, who then offered himself on the cross; only the manner of offering is different." "And since in this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass, the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and is offered in an unbloody manner. . . this sacrifice is truly propitiatory."
N.B. the line: "The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice." The shedding of the Blood of this one sacrifice that is made present at the Mass took place on the Cross.

Jesus said *It is finished*, while the RCC says it isn't finished but is ongoing.

What was finished was the institution of the new Passover at which he also gave the instruction "do this in memory of me."

172 posted on 06/23/2015 8:05:46 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius
The victim is one and the same: the same now offers through the ministry of priests, who then offered himself on the cross; only the manner of offering is different.

How again is this not a re-sacrifice??

174 posted on 06/23/2015 8:18:14 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Petrosius
Oh my, there is so much more that you have not been taught! When God says tetelestai, He measn all of it. He laid His Life down at that Cross for you and for me. He paid the penalty for our not having the righteousness required to enter God's Presence. He did that once, for all, forever. He told His disciples to brake bread together in remembrance of His coming act of exoneration for them and you. His blood was shed out upon the ground there. He followed the commandment to take a portion of the precious blood tot he Mercy Seat and sprinkle it there, there upon the Heavenly Mercy Seat for you and me, to cover the law of sin and death so the Sacrifice need never be repeated, He accomplished it all, once, for all, forever. So with that covering of the Mercy Seat above the law of sin and death you can immediately have God's Life in you to raise the Born from Above up in the Way that they should go. Had He withheld His blood from the Mercy Seat, the lambs and goats and bullocks would have still been required to atone for the sin of we fallen descendants of Adam.

Learn the lesson of the 300 into whom the Holy Spirit entered at Pentecost. Learn the lesson of the Gentiles in the house of Cornelius into whom the Holy Spirit entered even before Peter finished preaching, because it is by faith, the belief that Jesus is Savior and Lord, that Justification comes to the unrighteous. There is no righteous in the man or woman who has not the Life of God in them. But God's Grace offers His Life to immediately be yours, if you will but believe and walk in His Spirit.

What was finished was not a new Passover, for the 'Old Passover' was not gone away. what was finished was a new Covenant relationship between Man and God, hallmarked by God's righteousness available because Jesus paid the penalty we owe. Jesus fulfilled the Times of God to open the Life of God to all who will come by simply believing God in His Astonishing Grace to them.

176 posted on 06/23/2015 8:22:17 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Petrosius

It’s not the sacrifice that is found in Scripture.


214 posted on 06/24/2015 5:11:10 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Petrosius

It’s not the sacrifice that is found in Scripture.

Jesus did not die a bloodless death, His blood was poured out. GONE.

He was not offered on an altar, but died on a cross.

No man presented Him to God on our behalf rather He gave Himself willingly, of His OWN choice.

What the Catholic church offers God is NOT participating in the death of Christ 2,000 years ago because it is not the same sacrifice, not presented in the same manner.


215 posted on 06/24/2015 5:13:38 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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