Posted on 06/23/2015 10:06:16 AM PDT by RnMomof7
LOL ... the priest makes them say it.
Jesus fuldilled ALL the symbols. It is by faith that you are saved, not of works lest anyman should boast. By faith the symbols have spiritual reality. Is the new covenant a cup? ... The Indiana Jones movie is not a proof source, searching for a magical cup.
Ya can lead a catholic to truth but ya can’t make him eat.
"If a catholic can show me even one phrase in the OT of Messiah where God instructs the High Priest or any child of God to drink this precious blood to be sprinkled on the Mercy Seat, I will attend the next Catholic mass in my city and take the Eucharist from the Priest."
The lambs were prepared according to Levitical law... not with blood or in it's mother's milk, etc. So your statement doesn't follow.
Can you demonstrate one phrase in the Old Testament where God instructs anyone to drink the blood? Anywhere?
Let's try to stay on the subject this time.
Hoss
Then I guess you’re running around with eyes missing and hands cut off as well??
Really? Prove that statement then. Direct proof required. If you can assure us, then do so.
Hoss
Oh, the old blood hangup. The OT tells you exactly why you aren't to drink blood: "For the life of every creature is its blood; its blood is its life" (Lv 17:14)
Which is exactly why Jesus, who is God, promulgates a new law in commanding us to drink His blood: because we must have his life within us.
It's always funny that you guys are hung up on OT ritual prohibitions. Do you eat pork? Mix linen and wool? Those things really *are* symbolic; when the reality comes, the symbol goes away.
Read the Fathers and early church history. You’ll see exactly what they understood it to mean. Go to any Seder and you see that real food is really eaten.
Which is what we have when we believe on him by faith alone. The only blood that saves is Christ's shed blood on the cross, not in some unbiblical ritual that Roman Cultists practice.
When we're saved, we are regenerated by the power of God Almighty; we have his Holy Spirit -- he makes us new, resurrects our dead souls to eternal life. His life in us is his Holy Spirit given to us through faith by grace.
Not some a piece of bread.
Hoss
Unfortunately, the attacks go both ways...
...”I’m not a Catholic. But, these attacks on the Catholic Church make me sick.”....
Scroll on by then... let the Word of God do what it’s intended to do against false teachings and teachers....which it’s been doing regarding catholicism for centuries in order to being out those who would come out from the bondage they are in.
Do not stand in the way of God’s Spirit’s Work to rescue the perishing within catholcism.... for he is long suffering toward those within the catholic church having great patience to those who are deceived and led astray ...
That ritual was established by Jesus Christ and is in the Bible:
While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and giving it to his disciples said, “Take and eat; this is my body.” Then he took a cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you, l for this is my blood of the covenant, which will be shed on behalf of many for the forgiveness of sins. (Matthew 25:26-28)It is really a shame that there are so many who are embarrassed by the words of our Lord that they have to find rationalizations to deny them.
When we're saved, we are regenerated by the power of God Almighty; we have his Holy Spirit -- he makes us new, resurrects our dead souls to eternal life. His life in us is his Holy Spirit given to us through faith by grace.
And I thought that you knew the Bible:
Now when the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent them Peter and John, who went down and prayed for them, that they might receive the holy Spirit, for it had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid hands on them and they received the holy Spirit. (Acts 8:14-17)They had faith but had yet to receive the Holy Spirit.While Apollos was in Corinth, Paul traveled through the interior of the country and came (down) to Ephesus where he found some disciples. He said to them, “Did you receive the holy Spirit when you became believers?” They answered him, “We have never even heard that there is a holy Spirit.” He said, “How were you baptized?” They replied, “With the baptism of John.” Paul then said, “John baptized with a baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, in Jesus.” When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul laid [his] hands on them, the holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied. (Acts 19:1-6)
The commandment was FOR ALL THEIR GENERATIONS and as far as I can tell Jesus was in those generations through Mary. If Jesus had violated that commandment on Passover night, BEFORE the blood was shed to seal the covenant, well then Jesus would not have been the lamb without spot or blemish. Look at the passage in Luke 22. Compare it to the passages you keep pushing to support this heretical drinking of blood. Is God double-minded? No? well then, how do you reconcile / comprehend the different passages to be of the same meaning? By knowing the wording is a classic use of metaphor. You need not ignore the generations of Jesus, the commandment repeated in the old Testament, and the Times of The Lord to find a common ground for the seemingly disparate passages.
Back up to Cornelius......
Cornelius was a Roman Centurion. He and his household had been observing the Jewsih religious system, with faith. When they heard the truth coming out of Peter's mouth regarding the Messiah, they believed the Messaih had come and Peter was telling them about Him. Their belief resulted in God's Life coming into them. How could this bee, if they were still sinners in God's sight? ... Perfect sinless blood upon the Mercy Seat in Heaven covers the law of sin and death, once for all, forever.
But what of the ones who had hands laid on to receive the Holy Spirit, you might now ask? Well, only God knows what was happening in the hearts of those folks, but we can be assured that God's Life would not come into them unless their alignment to the laws of sin and death had been covered by His Precious blood and His sacrifice for the penalty due them had been counted for them, and activated by faith in Him, not works. So it may be (conjecture here, not claiming divine knowledge) that when the Life of God in Paul and the other Apostles comes into their presence, their trust in God to be Savior and Lord is transformed into spiritual faithing in the Promise of God.
Recall that the Baptism of John was fro repentance. Until the Mercy Seat has The Perfect blood upon it, there is no covering of sin and death that is permanent. That's why the Jewish High Priest enter each year to perform the ritual. Those who had repented under John's Baptism had yet to hear the Gospel preached and thus have the belief in Jesus as Messiah actualized in their human souls. Perhaps that's why Jesus command us to go into all the world and preach that same Gospel, for it has the spiritual power to spark faith in Him as Savior and Lord so He will place His Life in you.
Hoss
God is sovereign over the Law. Do not try to constrain him.
False accusation is a no no. Jesus said He came to fulfill the law. A double-minded God would just change his mind and not need to fulfill His Law. Was the New Covenant Jesus spoke of a cup?
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