In Vain Do They Worship Me

White Horse Inn ^ | April 13, 2014 | Timothy F. Kauffman

[MHGinTN]

Try again. There is no such thing as ‘sola scriptura’, for the Spirit of the author is in every page and line. That little accusation is so brittle now that those who use it are seen for the foolish parrots they are. Those who will not see are left to their chosen blindness. They will not see Him as He really is, soon.

[Petrosius]

I am confused. Sola scriptura is one of the foundations of the Protestant Reformation. Do you not hold to it?

[MHGinTN]

How dull can one mind be to what has been posted repeatedly. Jesus's blood upon the Mercy Seat has cover the law of sin and death. it has not erased it, it has covered it. Those who accept the New Covenant are not under the law of sin and death, which includes the laws of Moses. You are to keep the relationship as a member of God's family, if so be that you have been Born from Above into His family. Otherwise you can choose a Covenant you can try to fulfill. But that's a losing proposition, catholic.

You might find it interesting to look in the latter part of the Revelation and see that there will be a new Temple during the Millennial Kingdom, and sacrifices will occur there. What would you make of that?

[MHGinTN]

How could you think I would hold to that when I just said that it is a myth because the Author of the Scriptures is alive on every page and in every line of Scriptura. If sola scriptura was valid, sola Moby Dick would be also. It is like the silly accusation of ‘self and self alone’.

[MHGinTN]

Be patient with me for yet another question.

What does the following from Psalms then Hebrews mean to your ear?

Psalms 40:7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,

Hebrews 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

[Petrosius]

Those who accept the New Covenant are not under the law of sin and death, which includes the laws of Moses.

So God can change the law. Thank you.

[Petrosius]

I would take it then that you are not a Protestant. What are you then?

[MHGinTN]

LOL ... God can do just about anything. But He won't biolate His own character. He can make a new covenant without erasing the previous one, that's why you would do well to read about the Noahide covenant. When Jesus fulfilled the law, it did not erase it. And you're welcome.

[MHGinTN]

I am a Christ ian, one of those run-of-the-mill Bereanesque Born from Above people who have been brought into God’s Family by the Lord Jesus Christ. I am also called generically part of the Body of Christ and The Bride of Christ. He is returning soon to take me and the rest of this family to be with Him in His Father’s House, where we will have a mikvah cleansing that will brun away all the wood hay and stubble I’ve been generating, leaving just the Gold Silver and precious stones He has generate through me. I’m workin’ hard here to make you one of those precious stones. Help me out here!

[Petrosius]

I am trying to understand your beliefs. Unless they are uniquely your own, what specific Christian group do you belong to? Do you hold that the covenants of Noah or Moses are still active for those who chose them rather than the New Covenant in Jesus Christ? I am just trying to understand you.

[MHGinTN]

Paul has already answer those questions for you. ALL the answers are in the Epistle to the Romans. By faith in Him we can be Born from Above. By placing our faith in Him we can walk not after the flesh, which is under the law of sin and death, but after the Spirit, which in Christ. For behold, those in Christ are a New Creation. They can walk after the spirit and be raised up in the Way that they should go as members of God's family. How can they be members of God's family? ... They have His LIFE (you know, the life that was in that Perfect blood spread upon the Mercy Seat, covering the law of sin and death) IN THEM.

John 14:

v6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. v16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; v17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

[knarf]

Catholics have a 33.3% chance of going to Heaven on the first shot ...

and a 66.66% chance of not.

Lousy odds

D'ya think God pats us on the head and says, "Good luck, kid .... hope y'make it" ?

magungdung hapun, Bro.

[Mark17]

D'ya think God pats us on the head and says, "Good luck, kid .... hope y'make it" ?

Not good odds at all. I figured out, that I would not be satisfied with anything less than a 100% iron clad guarantee of salvation. 😇 I know, some people think we can't know for sure till we die. Nope, not good enough for me.

By now, it is already magandang gabi 😂

[LadyDoc]

She isn’t really posting what Catholics believe. She is posting talking points to “convert” those of us who are heathens in her eyes. She mixes the truth along with partial truths to deceive her readers.

[Elsie]

The purest form of religion on earth, says Rome, is to bow before a piece of bread and worship it.

Strange...

The Book that Rome compiled says something a bit different:

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James 1:27

Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this:
to look after orphans and widows in their distress
and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

[Elsie]

And it's from that letter they like to quote from a lot; too!

James

[Elsie]

But then you most grieviously injured Augustine.

Then I shall apply some salve to the wounds...

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As regards the oft-quoted Mt. 16:18

 

• Augustine, sermon:

"Christ, you see, built his Church not on a man but on Peter's confession. What is Peter's confession? 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' There's the rock for you, there's the foundation, there's where the Church has been built, which the gates of the underworld cannot conquer. — John Rotelle, O.S.A., Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine , © 1993 New City Press, Sermons, Vol III/6, Sermon 229P.1, p. 327

Upon this rock, said the Lord, I will build my Church. Upon this confession, upon this that you said, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God,' I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not conquer her (Mt. 16:18). — John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City, 1993) Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 236A.3, p. 48.

 

• Augustine, sermon:

For petra (rock) is not derived from Peter, but Peter from petra; just as Christ is not called so from the Christian, but the Christian from Christ. For on this very account the Lord said, 'On this rock will I build my Church,' because Peter had said, 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.' On this rock, therefore, He said, which thou hast confessed, I will build my Church. For the Rock (Petra) was Christ; and on this foundation was Peter himself built. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Christ Jesus. The Church, therefore, which is founded in Christ received from Him the keys of the kingdom of heaven in the person of Peter, that is to say, the power of binding and loosing sins. For what the Church is essentially in Christ, such representatively is Peter in the rock (petra); and in this representation Christ is to be understood as the Rock, Peter as the Church. — Augustine Tractate CXXIV; Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers: First Series, Volume VII Tractate CXXIV (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf107.iii.cxxv.html)

 

• Augustine, sermon:

And Peter, one speaking for the rest of them, one for all, said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God (Mt 16:15-16)...And I tell you: you are Peter; because I am the rock, you are Rocky, Peter-I mean, rock doesn't come from Rocky, but Rocky from rock, just as Christ doesn't come from Christian, but Christian from Christ; and upon this rock I will build my Church (Mt 16:17-18); not upon Peter, or Rocky, which is what you are, but upon the rock which you have confessed. I will build my Church though; I will build you, because in this answer of yours you represent the Church. — John Rotelle, O.S.A. Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City Press, 1993), Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 270.2, p. 289

 

• Augustine, sermon:

Peter had already said to him, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' He had already heard, 'Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of the underworld shall not conquer her' (Mt 16:16-18)...Christ himself was the rock, while Peter, Rocky, was only named from the rock. That's why the rock rose again, to make Peter solid and strong; because Peter would have perished, if the rock hadn't lived. — John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City, 1993) Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 244.1, p. 95

 

• Augustine, sermon:

...because on this rock, he said, I will build my Church, and the gates of the underworld shall not overcome it (Mt. 16:18). Now the rock was Christ (1 Cor. 10:4). Was it Paul that was crucified for you? Hold on to these texts, love these texts, repeat them in a fraternal and peaceful manner. — John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City Press, 1995), Sermons, Volume III/10, Sermon 358.5, p. 193

 

• Augustine, Psalm LXI:

Let us call to mind the Gospel: 'Upon this Rock I will build My Church.' Therefore She crieth from the ends of the earth, whom He hath willed to build upon a Rock. But in order that the Church might be builded upon the Rock, who was made the Rock? Hear Paul saying: 'But the Rock was Christ.' On Him therefore builded we have been. — Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1956), Volume VIII, Saint Augustin, Exposition on the Book of Psalms, Psalm LXI.3, p. 249. (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf108.ii.LXI.html)

 

• Augustine, in “Retractions,”

In a passage in this book, I said about the Apostle Peter: 'On him as on a rock the Church was built.'...But I know that very frequently at a later time, I so explained what the Lord said: 'Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church,' that it be understood as built upon Him whom Peter confessed saying: 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God,' and so Peter, called after this rock, represented the person of the Church which is built upon this rock, and has received 'the keys of the kingdom of heaven.' For, 'Thou art Peter' and not 'Thou art the rock' was said to him. But 'the rock was Christ,' in confessing whom, as also the whole Church confesses, Simon was called Peter. But let the reader decide which of these two opinions is the more probable. — The Fathers of the Church (Washington D.C., Catholic University, 1968), Saint Augustine, The Retractations Chapter 20.1:.

 

[Elsie]

From your Catholic upbringing you should be very aware of Eucharistic miracles.

By reading the Bible; one becomes aware of SATANIC 'miracles'.

[Elsie]

Jesus said “this is my Body” and “this is my Blood.” I have the faith to believe what he said.

He also said, "You brood of vipers."

Where's your faith led you on this statement?

[Elsie]

Every argument against the Real Presence is equally an argument against the Incarnation.

No; it's not.

You might as well say:

Every argument for Jesus being sinless is equally an argument for His mother's sinlessness.