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To: RnMomof7

The only thing I can suggest is to read the Bible.

Jesus said very plainly that he was giving Peter the keys to the kingdom, but was he also including the other apostles?

We can argue about that until king come but then all that does is start another argument :when does or did it come?

The Church was in Jerusalem not Rome, we can see what part Peter played in the Church there, it is very evident that his word was taken as gospel by the leaders in the Church, including James.

But we can also see that he did not seem to seek any authority.

The scriptures does not connect Peter with Rome unless Babylon is referring to Rome which is just something else to argue about.

All though there are many traditions which put one apostle here and another one there and are no doubt some truth we do not have the details to make it gospel.

Jesus gave us the Gospel and if there is any more than what he gave us I have no idea what it would be as we can not read the same scripture and agree on the gospel from it,
I think we are pathetic.


53 posted on 06/19/2015 1:34:46 PM PDT by ravenwolf (t)
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To: ravenwolf
The only thing I can suggest is to read the Bible.Jesus said very plainly that he was giving Peter the keys to the kingdom, but was he also including the other apostles?

Peter used those Keys to open the gospel to the Jews on Pentecost and then to the gentiles (Acts 10)

The Church was in Jerusalem not Rome, we can see what part Peter played in the Church there, it is very evident that his word was taken as gospel by the leaders in the Church, including James.

Actually Peter had been a part of the problem of being a Judaizer and had to be confronted by Paul for causing division in the church (read Gal 2:11)

The Jerusalem council was after that confrontation.. and by the way James was in charge and made the final decision ... not Peter

The scriptures does not connect Peter with Rome unless Babylon is referring to Rome which is just something else to argue about.

Well one thing I know is Rome is "babylon " now

107 posted on 06/19/2015 6:47:22 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: ravenwolf; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; ...
Jesus said very plainly that he was giving Peter the keys to the kingdom, but was he also including the other apostles?

Of course, as Peter never is shown exercising any unique power, while that the gospel are the keys or key to the kingdom is manifest as it is by faith in it that one is translated into that kingdom.

The Church was in Jerusalem not Rome, we can see what part Peter played in the Church there, it is very evident that his word was taken as gospel by the leaders in the Church, including James.

It is actually more evident that it was James whose word was taken as gospel by the leaders in the Church, confirmatory of the exhortation and testimony of Peter, and of Paul and Barnabas.

Peter did not supply the final conclusive judgment, and certainly did not speak like a ex cathedra decree, but provided a brief testimony and basic exhortative word of counsel. After which Paul and Barnabas added their testimony, as they also were preaching the Gentile-inclusive gospel of the grace of God.

After which James provided the Scriptural basis for the inclusion of the Gentiles, and basic Scriptural requirements, at which the matter was settled.

James is also listed first before Peter in Gal. 2 among 3 who appeared to be pillars. Peter as the first of a line of supreme infallible heads whom the church looked to is simply absent from Scripture. He is scarcely mentioned in the church epistles, and is married when mentioned in one, and as said,. the second of three in another.

Paul even fails to mention him among the 30 odd acquaintances in Rm. 16, and not once is submission to him in particular enjoined of the churches, or commended, including in the Lord's word to the 7 representative churches in Rv. 2,3.

109 posted on 06/19/2015 6:54:42 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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