Was The Papacy Established By Christ?

triablogue ^ | June 23, 2006 | Jason Engwer

[MHGinTN]

IF you ever get around to reading the last book in the Bible, you might note the plan of God AFTER the true Church is Raptured out of here. You better get acquainted since it appears they will be speaking to folks like you.

[terycarl]

God is not going to be mocked by Catholicism much longer. You should see the clear signs in your current pope. Catholicism is not about Christ and His kingdom, it is about leading humankind to the altar of antichrist.

Yeah, after 2,015 years it is finally catching up to us....Christ and His kingdom have never been mentioned in the Catholic church.......well, maybe sometimes,,,like daily, in every Catholic church in every country in the world.....oh yeah, that...

[terycarl]

Instead of looking to Catholic answers... how about looking to the scriptures themselves ???

Why not??...the Catholics gave them to you...

[MHGinTN]

I don’t think your superficial argue of crowd will have any influence upon God. Nor will pleading a vast number of decades in apostasy get His ear.

[MHGinTN]

satan knows more about it than you do and still he is doomed, too.

[terycarl]

There is nothing wrong with worshiping as a group as long as the important tenants are preserved and that both the parishioners and the Priests, Pastors, Fathers, ... all recognize the fact that the leaders are teachers and nothing more.

I have never heard a Catholic nun, priest, nor bishop describe themselves as other than a messenger or teacher.... they undergo YEARS of seminary or convent education to become what they are...you can't get a Catholic preachers title off the internet in 10 minutes like you can some other "Christian" leaders.

[terycarl]

Pray to Mary and the saints at your own peril!

Catholics pray THROUGH, not to Mary and the saints

[terycarl]

The fact that there is no salvation in that cracker , no forgiveness in that little box, no Holy Spirit in that "slap " from that bishop.. no forgiveness of sin in that baptismal water... There is only Salvation in Christ alone .

Yeah...Sacraments are outward signs, instituted by Christ, to give grace...you know that, and for you to deny it means nothing....the "cracker, box, slap, water have all worked just fine for over 2,000 years and now you are here to deny it....lots of luck.

[terycarl]

Did Jesus and the apostles eat the actual real body of Christ at that last supper?

YES...He said so.

[terycarl]

Catholics do not do any of this in the Eucharist. Though Christ is substantially present—body, blood, soul and divinity—in the Eucharist, the accidents of bread and wine remain. Double talk

Yeah...kind of like a doctor who gives you a pill....looks like a pill, tastes like a pill....but its' substance will save your life...same concept

[MHGinTN]

And in even pretending to pray through a dead woman is to contradict what God teaches in the Bible. But then you have not actually read it yourself, apparently, so you have missed all that teaching from Paul in his letters. So here's a little taste for you:

14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. 15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin. 16Let us then approach God’s throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.

Wasn't that NEAT! That was from Hebrews chapter four. And there is no mention of Mary a mediatrix there or anywhere else in the entire BIBLE as a substitute for going straight to God our Father by Jesus Christ.

[terycarl]

The sacraments do NOT confer grace.

See, I knew it, you did not pay attention in Catechism class...a Sacrament is an outward sign, instituted by Christ, to give grace.....you are wrong as usual.

[MHGinTN]

Have you a handy list of the sacraments instituted by Christ? Enquiring minds would like to know ...

[terycarl]

Since there's a Catholic wannabee Dude

There are millions of Catholic wannabe dudes...they are called protestants.

[MHGinTN]

Sanppy answer, but not in line wth what Jesus told them in John 6:

Bread of Life 26 Jesus answered them, "Most certainly I tell you, you seek me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate of the loaves, and were filled. 27 Don't work for the food which perishes, but for the food which remains to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For God the Father has sealed him." 28 They said therefore to him, "What must we do, that we may work the works of God?" 29 Jesus answered them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent." 30 They said therefore to him, "What then do you do for a sign, that we may see, and believe you? What work do you do? 31Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness. As it is written, 'He gave them bread out of heaven to eat.'" 32 Jesus therefore said to them, "Most certainly, I tell you, it wasn't Moses who gave you the bread out of heaven, but my Father gives you the true bread out of heaven. 33 For the bread of God is that which comes down out of heaven, and gives life to the world." 34 They said therefore to him, "Lord, always give us this bread." 35 Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will not be hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty.

Neat, isn't it? The correct answers are right there in the Bible for all to see.

[MHGinTN]

Well, I’m not one of those.

[GGpaX4DumpedTea]

“...then what did He do....read it and tell us.......”

You tell me, Carl. What do you think it means? And can you give me an interpretive meaning without leaning on what your church teaches? Ask the Holy Spirit to give you God’s answer...