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To: ravenwolf

That does not say that one is saved by works does it?

It is describing the work of the SHEEP.

The Sheep were not ever GOATS. the Goats never behaved like sheep

This was the final judgment of rewards , not salvation .

Mat 16:27”For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father, with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.”

Luke 14:14”For thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.”

Rev 22:12”And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.”

1Peter 5:4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.”

The Goats are condemned , not because they did not work, but because they had never repented and believed

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 4:5  But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

They were not sheep because they did the work that God had ordained for them, they did the work because they were the sheep.

Gal. 2:16: “[T]hat we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified

Here Jesus teaching on salvation by works

Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

The will of the Father is that men believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved...

Hear Jesus

Jhn 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.


191 posted on 06/16/2015 8:20:35 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7; Elsie

Elsie can tell you that goats kind of do what they want, whereas sheep will accept leadership and be a flock not in revolt. Goats will just go wherever they please, so a leader GOAT is always necessary to herd goats along.


196 posted on 06/16/2015 9:09:48 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: RnMomof7

That does not say that one is saved by works does it?


No it does not, but I fail to see that the scriptures you provide makes any argument against the scripture I provided.

If I depended on my works to be saved I would be lost, on the other hand if I say I am saved but deny every thing Jesus said I would be lost.

So I believe it would be best to just let God do the judging as I am not fit to do that.

The Goats are condemned , not because they did not work, but because they had never repented and believed>>>>>>>>>>

That could be but that is not what Jesus said.

They were not sheep because they did the work that God had ordained for them, they did the work because they were the sheep.

That could also be, but again is not the words Jesus used.

Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Why would I need to know them by their fruits? could it be because they are going to lie me?

If some preacher comes to me who will deny any obligation of helping his neighbor, I will know him by his fruits.


209 posted on 06/16/2015 10:31:37 AM PDT by ravenwolf (t)
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