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GREEK VERBS QUICK REFERENCE (Studying the Bible)
http://www.preceptaustin.org/new_page_40.htm#present imperative ^

Posted on 06/10/2015 7:16:05 PM PDT by Bigtigermike

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To: Biggirl

The Holy Spirit inspired His words to be recorded and preserved in the Koine Greek for a reason.


61 posted on 06/11/2015 12:29:41 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: verga

Balaam’s ride says, “Thank you!”


62 posted on 06/11/2015 12:41:35 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: RnMomof7

That’s what MY dad always said, “You think I’m made outta dough?”


63 posted on 06/11/2015 12:42:30 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: verga
 
 
 

64 posted on 06/11/2015 12:43:20 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: verga

Your hinges are squeaky!


65 posted on 06/11/2015 12:44:26 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom; RnMomof7
WOW what a complete misunderstand ding of those verses in context. You (all) are comparing apples to oranges and ending up with lemons. When Jesus was at the last supper He was literally holding the bread and cup in His hand.

Lets carry your analogy to it's logical conclusion: John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

Catholics believe that Jesus literally is the way, the truth, and the life.

Going by your standard prots must believe that Jesus is a metaphorical way, metaphorical truth, and a metaphorical life. This another way of saying Jesus is a dead end, a lie and death.

On the other hand: John 8:12 Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, "I am the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life."

John 10:9 "I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.

These are obvious metaphors since Jesus was not on fire nor did He have hinges and a latch attached to him.

I find it interesting that you did not show a single instance of touto estin (This is my) being used in a metaphorical sense. instead you went on the standard prot red herring fallacy diversion.

Can you show a single instance of touto estin (This is my) being used as a metaphor?

66 posted on 06/11/2015 1:13:21 PM PDT by verga (I might as well be playng chess with pigeons.)
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To: metmom; verga
When He said that He was the bread, was He at that point made of flesh and blood, or was He at that point, made of bread dough

They certainly do have it backwards...The flesh of Jesus turns into bread, not the other way around...

67 posted on 06/11/2015 2:14:47 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool

No, God didn’t lie — humans may have. They certainly made a LOT of errors.


68 posted on 06/11/2015 2:16:47 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: ealgeone

Not just Greek if you want to understand wht Jesus and the Apostles said. A working knowledge of Aramaic is important. Although much of it was written in Greek, that is already a translation of what was said from the language Jesus spoke.


69 posted on 06/11/2015 2:18:17 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: verga

You believe the Bible to be The Word of God. Others don’t take it so literally. The fact that you believe it doesn’t make it so.


70 posted on 06/11/2015 2:19:42 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: imardmd1

Again — it’s written in Greek, but Jesus spoke Aramaic. To understand it fully, it is helpful to understand Aramaic. I have read Bible commentaries by people who understand Aramaic and they draw some different conclusions about the words Jesus spoke than you seem to accept.


71 posted on 06/11/2015 2:23:14 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: MHGinTN

Of course I believe in God. I don’t necessarily believe in the God you seem to believe in. I find that God too small and limited. The vengeful, wrathful, always-judging God just doesn’t make sense to me.

“I thank the God that is that the God they told me about isn’t.”


72 posted on 06/11/2015 2:25:17 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP

Do you believe the letters (epistles) were written in Greek, Koine Greek) the Gospels written in Greek, and the Hebrew texts which Jesus quoted in Greek from the Septuagint, are from the actual Apostles?


73 posted on 06/11/2015 2:56:05 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Iscool; metmom
They certainly do have it backwards...The flesh of Jesus turns into bread, not the other way around...

That was metmom's comment that you were referring to.

74 posted on 06/11/2015 3:10:37 PM PDT by verga (I might as well be playng chess with pigeons.)
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To: verga
Can you show a single instance of touto estin (This is my) being used as a metaphor?

Mat_5:35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.

Mat 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

Joh_3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Joh_6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.

Act_4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

This
houtos houtoi hautē hautai
hoo'-tos, hoo'-toy, how'-tay, how'-tahee
Including the nominative masculine plural (second form), nominative feminine signular (third form), and the nominate feminine plural, (fourth form). From the article G3588 and G846; the he (she or it), that is, this or that (often with the article repeated): - he (it was that), hereof, it, she, such as, the same, these, they, this (man, same, woman), which, who.

Is
esti
es-tee'
Third person singular present indicative of G1510; he (she or it) is; also (with neuter plural) they are: - are, be (-long), call, X can [-not], come, consisteth, X dure for awhile, + follow, X have, (that) is (to say), make, meaneth, X must needs, + profit, + remaineth, + wrestle.

If only there were some gnats there to strain at...

75 posted on 06/11/2015 3:15:05 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: TBP
Not just Greek if you want to understand wht Jesus and the Apostles said. A working knowledge of Aramaic is important. Although much of it was written in Greek, that is already a translation of what was said from the language Jesus spoke.

This falls under Greek (Roman) mythology; folklore...

76 posted on 06/11/2015 3:17:08 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool

And not a single instance of it being a metaphor. Thank you for confirming the Catholic position.


77 posted on 06/11/2015 3:22:57 PM PDT by verga (I might as well be playng chess with pigeons.)
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To: ealgeone

What is NASB - I’ve used the Amplified so long, I don’t know what those initials stand for.


78 posted on 06/11/2015 4:26:22 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("The fields are white unto Harvest")
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To: Bigtigermike

I agree with you. I started using the Amplified Bible when I was in Bible school. I had 3 other translations .. but the Amplified seems to speak to me - much more than the others.

I like the fact there are so many styles .. something for everyone who wants to find out about GOD.


79 posted on 06/11/2015 4:31:43 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("The fields are white unto Harvest")
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To: TBP
The Bible has been riddled with transcription errors, . . . etc

The testimony of the canonical books of the OT, particularly Isaiah, found in the Dead Sea Scrolls prove your hypothesis here flatly wrong, and there's little to discuss about it.

80 posted on 06/11/2015 4:38:37 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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