7 Biblical Arguments Against 'Grave Soaking'

Charisma News ^ | 6/5/2015 | JOSEPH MATTERA

[familyop]

Thank you. I see now.

[familyop]

Thank you very much, jjotto. I was looking for exactly that kind of information. Much more study to do.

[jjotto]

Just for good measure, find some video of a Lag B’Omer celebration in Israel around the Meron grave of Shimon Bar Yochai.

[familyop]

"It’s the reflection of these practices in the Christian world (and the corruptions, deviations, adoptions of the original Jewish practices) that I’m pointing out."

Sorry that I blurted out the word, "wrong," and thanks. And yes, I've studied some of the minute details of histories of religions of empires with emphasis on the history of propaganda from one of them. Those methods of changing patterns of thought do continue to this day. People of all nations (no exceptions), unaware of large efforts from outside of their own chosen systems of belief, are affected. They didn't see it coming.

[familyop]

Thank you very much. I need as much good measure as possible and will look that up now.

[HarleyD]

For once I'm speechless. (I hear applause.)

[cothrige]

Nowhere does the Catholic Church use Official WORSHIP OF Saints or Mary.

Actually, the problem with this is that words have changed meaning, or at least been adjusted, and the Church is very, very old. At one time one could have said that we worshiped saints, but at that time the word did not mean quite what most use it for today. That is why we still speak of a saint having a cult, another word which has shifted some. We adore God, and worship (which would be to say revere using more modern words) saints. Adoration is much higher than worship. What is strange, to me, is that most people today will quail at saying they worship their children, but will tell everyone how they adore them. Talk about reversing the meanings entirely.

Whenever we go to a departed saint for something instead of directly to Jesus we violate Scriptures like 2 Timothy 2:5 and John 14:6, since we only have one designated mediator . . .

This was a very interesting quote too, as it entirely misunderstands what a mediator is, scripturally speaking. The word 'mediator' refers to one who mediates a covenant between God and man, which no Catholic has ever thought any saint has done. If this were the real meaning of the word then asking your friends to pray for you would also be forbidden as it would still be looking for a mediator. Fortunately, the Bible tells us again and again to pray for one another, and therefore is fully in support of intercession, which is what prayers to the saints are about. Not mediation.

[johngrace]

Thanks- Great response.

[Heart-Rest]

I guess this ain't what they're talking about...

Dry Bones- Delta Rhythm Boys

[FormerLib]

Unfortunately, some have taken their reverence too far and worship and pray to images of departed saints.

This is an absolute lie told by people who do not understand the difference between worship (which is reserved to God alone) and veneration. Stop slandering us from the basis of ignorance.