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To: Grateful2God
Those who have the chance to be born, but are stillborn and die without Baptism, are in Heaven by the Baptism of Desire "My Soul is thirsting for the Living God."

It's not up to you declare that. And it contradicts traditional Catholic teaching.

[Fr]Harrison point outs, correctly, that there is no previous magisterial statement to the same effect as CCC §1261. He notes that the only previous “universal” Catholic catechism, that of the Council of Trent, “affirmed categorically” that “no means for attaining salvation remains for infant children other than baptism.” In support of the Tridentine teaching, Harrison cites one older magisterial statement (a letter of Pope Innocent I in 417), and three subsequent statements of magisterial import. The weightiest is from the Provincial Council of Cologne (1860), not because it was a local council, but because its acts were confirmed by the Holy See and contain the statement “faith teaches [ fides docet ]” that infants who die without baptism, “since they are not capable of this desire [for baptism], are excluded from the heavenly kingdom.”

51 posted on 06/06/2015 9:28:29 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
Granted, I've not the right to say that; I'm paraphrasing an explanation given by Fr. Mitch Pacwa SJ on EWTN. He explained the three kinds of Baptism, and the possibilities of what becomes of their souls. No matter who it is, the judgement is up to God.

The Council of Trent is often used in forum, yet there has been a great deal of history; papal documents and the Second Vatican Council since then... What about the Holy Innocents? They were Jewish, yet we celebrate them as our saints...

53 posted on 06/06/2015 10:12:45 PM PDT by Grateful2God (Because no word shall be impossible with God. And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord...)
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To: ebb tide
It's not up to you declare that. And it contradicts traditional Catholic teaching.

Oy. There is so much being presented as Catholic which is not. I don't blame these folks though. They have been taught a new religion for decades.

61 posted on 06/07/2015 5:11:07 AM PDT by piusv
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