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To: SkyPilot; Mrs. Don-o
No. If you are truly saved by Christ, He says no one can snatch them from His hand. He also said in the parable of the farmer who spread seed that not all seed falls on good soil and comes to growth. Some seed, in fact, dies. These people heard the Word of God, but the cares of this life and the lies of sin and riches prevented them from accepting Christ. I personally believe there are a lot of “going throught the motions” people who are Christians in name only.

This is a tough question. Personally I do not think that a converted woman would abort her child.. I think the weight of that offense against God and His sovereignty would not allow for it. .

Sky I agree that there are many that would call themselves a "Christian " because they go through the motions hoping that is enough ..

As Christians we sin all the time...and feel the weight of that offense against God.. this sin takes much time and planning ...

But we must also remember David, a man after God own heart that murdered . God had him confronted with his sin and he repented.. Jesus offered forgiveness to the men that crucified Him

So Does God forgive abortion, yes...

19 posted on 06/04/2015 7:14:06 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7; SkyPilot
God does forgive any sin --- including abortion, and for that matter, forcible sodomy or chain-saw murder--- but not if the person does not repent, which entails a firm intention to renounce this sin. If the woman presumes on "forgiveness" and THEN commits the sin, she did not repent.

Do you agree with Sky Pilot's statement that "I personally believe there are a lot of “going through the motions” people who are Christians in name only."

If that is so, then there are a lot of people who think they are saved, have thought for years that they are saved, and are not. Doesn't that follow from the definitions?

20 posted on 06/04/2015 7:45:55 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my All.)
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To: RnMomof7; Mrs. Don-o
So Does God forgive abortion, yes...

Yes. Absolutely.

The parable of the sower of seed has great meaning, but it does not mean that there is any sin that Christ will not forgive. Rather, it is a parable about those who hear the Word and reject it, or allow the Word to die in their hearts.

I agree with that any sin can be forgiven if one is in Christ. And yes, as Mrs. Don-o said, repentance is what we are called to do by Christ. You can look up the number of time He Himself said to people "Repent." He would usually say this in the context that he Kingdom of God was here.

I also agree that this is a very tough subject, for one basic reason. We all sin. Even after we are saved by Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit indwells with us, we still sin. Now, James Chapter 2 tells us clearly that our faith via Christ changes us. If we are not changed by the Holy Spirit in our lives, our faith is probably dead.

However, we are not saved by anything we "do." Good works are a manifestation that we are saved. Just as we truly love our brothers in sisters in Christ and the Jewish people if we are saved. These are significant signs that we are saved. When we sin, we feel terrible if we are in Christ. Because the Holy Spirit grieves us to repentance.

Have you come across people whose consciouses are so seared they care not a whit who they hurt, or what they do? Of course you have. These are the wicked, and we deal with them every day. But God brings those in Him back into the fold - gently, but also with judgment at times. God's first and foremost concern is not our comfort here on earth, but our ultimate salvation.

Here is what cuts me to the heart about sinning (and when I sin). Hebrews 2: 1-4.

"We must pay the most careful attention, therefore, to what we have heard, so that we do not drift away. 2 For since the message spoken through angels was binding, and every violation and disobedience received its just punishment, 3 how shall we escape if we ignore so great a salvation? This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard him. 4 God also testified to it by signs, wonders and various miracles, and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will."

What the author of Hebrews (speaking through Holy Spirit) said what that we must be careful - because to know Christ and reject salvation is grave indeed.

So that when I sin, I feel worse than I could imagine, and I must confess that sin and seek forgiveness.

This is serious business. Has my salvation left me if I fall into sin? I don't believe so, although some may disagree with me. Here is why I believe I cannot lose my salvation:

Romans 8: 38-39.

"38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

I think what the author to this piece is saying that we should not go about sinning great sin beforehand, thinking that we can just cover everything up. For one thing, all believers will sit on the judgment seat of Christ. This is not the same judgment the unbelievers have - we won't face the Great White Throne Judgment. Christ saved us from that. But we will be called into account for our actions, good and bad. We may lose rewards or crowns in heaven on account of what we have done, or not done. Every work will be brought into account. This is sobering.

Here is what encourages me though. What did that thief who was crucified next to Christ do to earn his salvation in paradise? No works. He was saved because he asked Jesus to save him. And Jesus did, with one of his last, dying breaths.

23 posted on 06/04/2015 10:00:14 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: RnMomof7
But we must also remember David, a man after God own heart that murdered . God had him confronted with his sin and he repented.. Jesus offered forgiveness to the men that crucified Him

I just re-read your post and saw this part. Exactly - you posted a very wise statement about David, and both you and I hearkened to the example of the man crucified with Jesus who asked Him for salvation.

David's sin cost him dearly. The first child born through adultery with Bathsheba died. David's family was torn to pieces in later years, and his own son went to war with him and tried to murder him.

Sin is so terrible, it took Christ's torture and death to bring us right before God.

24 posted on 06/04/2015 10:05:41 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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