[verga]

That's not what I said. I said we can't judge whether SOMEONE ELSE is saved or not. We don't know what the relationship of anyone other than ourselves is with Christ. We can observe who an individual focuses on and if it's anyone other than Christ it's doubtful because Christ said NO ONE comes before Him and God said He would give His glory to non other.

You need to pick one story and stick to it. First it's: I said we can't judge whether SOMEONE ELSE is saved or not

Then in the next breath you are making a judgment based on observation:We can observe who an individual focuses on and if it's anyone other than Christ it's doubtful

Those are direct contradictions.

And you prove it again here:I said "obviously" by observation. I can give my impression by my observation all day long.

So then how about giving me your "Impression" as to whether or not these people are saved or not saved:

Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker Jimmy Swaggert (Before, during, or after the adultery)

Peter Popoff and his magical wheelchairs.

Benny Hinn

Joel Osteen.

Ernest Angley

Fred Phelps

I am betting you won't.

[CynicalBear]

>>So then how about giving me your "Impression" as to whether or not these people are saved or not saved:<<

I don't conjecture on anyone else's salvation. I know they are not in line with teaching from scripture any more then the Catholic Church is.

[metmom]

Perhaps you missed the question the first time.

If Catholics condemn *Prots* for judging whether they think Catholics are saved or not, then why do Catholics hypocritically demand that we judge non-Catholics as to whether they are saved or not?

[MamaB]

I truly believe they were saved but when money showed up, they let it be their God. I will not say if they got right with God because that is not my job. I deeply questioned some of them and their relationship with God from the beginning. I remember the first time I saw Schuller on tv. Something just did not seem right with him. I only watched him a few times and I did not hear him mention Jesus and salvation. The same with Osteen. I have not watched the others you mentioned.