[Mrs. Don-o]

"Two can play your game. Since it was a private meeting you don't know whether Francis is confused, deluded, or has a conscious agenda of lying."

Ah, but here's the difference. As a matter of ordinary fairness, one gives anyone the benefit of the doubt when their actual words or actions are unknown; and this rises from the level of "ordinary fairness" to the level of "filial obligation" when one is talking about the unknown words of the Vicar of Christ. And as a matter of justice, one cannot impute a bad act or a bad intention to another person in a doubtful case. That is, objectively, the sin of rash judgment or even calumny.

Don't you get that? It is ordinary fairness, charity and respect to make the assumption that, in matters where the facts are unknown, the person is innocent. Heck, ebb tide, that's even the assumption in civil law. And to tacitly assume bad actions or intentions when the facts are unknown, is objectively a sin against the Eighth Commandment.

[asyouwish]

“That is, objectively, the sin of rash judgment or even calumny.”
“....a sin against the Eighth Commandment.”

You have shown it for what it is.

As we say in the Confiteor: “...in my thoughts and in my words”. We know—or should know-—that we will be held accountable for our thoughts, words and actions.

It has been a great concern of mine... this attitude by some traditionalist posters on this forum. I have often thought that many of their comments and opinions are almost showing a lack of faith in the very Church they profess to defend. When they post, they do not represent me as a Catholic.

[asyouwish]

An added note: point #22 of the Ignatian Exercises.

[ebb tide]

Invalid logic. Both the lesbian and the adulteress in Argentina have publicy stated how their meetings with Pope Francis went. If either of these women were lying, surely either Pope Francis or Fr. Lombardi would speak up and defend the Pope with the truth. They would not have to disclose the content of these meetings, but they could certainly deny any untruths that were later stated.

So far, neither of them has. Rather sneaky and confusing to the sheep in my opinion.

But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil. Matthew 5:37

But because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold, not hot, I will begin to vomit thee out of my mouth. Revelations 3:16

As far as calumny and rash judgement, look in a mirror. And don't be surprised if you see Jimmy Akin behind your shoulder.