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To: MHGinTN
You are saying if we had free will we would keep His commandments

Yes. Perhaps we should start with a definition of "free will". Isn't it to voluntarily to make decisions? If we have "free will" then one has to ask why don't we keep God's commandments? Moses told us they're not that hard to keep.

Our nature prior to God is bent to do evil. Once we come to a saving knowledge of God, we no longer practice sin. We become slaves to righteousness. But to think that we "freely" make an educational choice to sin or to live a godly life is not logical. Actually-it's rubbish. God expects us to act as His Son and He has given us His law, His Holy Spirit, His Word. And He has bend our will to want to be obedient to Him to the praise of His glory.

We have no excuse when we sin except to acknowledge our shameful behavior knowing that God understands our condition. We choose to sin because of the lust that still remains in our hearts. We don't freely make choices to sin except to be led away by our passions.

Now if you have a better definition of "free will" I'd love to hear it. But it is never used in scripture. There is God's will and there is man's will.

808 posted on 06/01/2015 7:11:28 AM PDT by HarleyD ("... letters are weighty, but his .. presence is weak, and his speech of no account.")
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To: HarleyD
Of the things that God cannot do, one is most appropriate to note here. God cannot force you to love Him. That is under the sovereign will of man, each boy, girl, man or woman. Thereby we know we have free will, that we can choose to love God or not.

Could Jesus force Peter to love Him after the crucifixion? No. Did Jesus ask Peter if he loved Him? Yes, and then gave him a specific job to do. Jesus, being God with us, knew Peter's future. Back in Matthew 16:16 Jesus asked Peter something and based upon the heart of Peter, Jesus Promised him the keys to something very important.

The Angel Gabriel spoke to Mary and informed her that she was about to take on an astonishing job. If she did not have free will the offer would not have been made ... think about it. God does not force us to love. Mary loved God to such a degree that God chose her to bring His incarnation into the world!

God cannot force us to love Him. It is of our free will that we choose His offered Grace, because we suddenly realize we are loved and want to love Him back.

815 posted on 06/01/2015 11:02:57 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: HarleyD
God cannot force us to love him, and thereby we know we have free will, to love Him because He loves us, or reject His love.

And in our day there are so very many who have chosen to not love God but love the flesh and the things that please it rather than love God and be heir to His Promises.

An astonishing characteristic of this age is that some will even admit that they believe God cannot lie and that whatever God Promises will come to pass, yet when you show them what God Promises they choose to argue, using all sorts of demonically brilliant lines of doubting, usually anchored to pride of self.

One of the most famous lies is the antithetical argument that Jesus's work on the cross requires us to finish the task to 'earn' salvation, earn God's Garce! As if a man can force God to love him! You show such a person Jesus's own declaration on the Cross and they still wiggle into some pride-based argument of the necessity for their works to finish what He declared 'tetelestai' over.

You show such an one that Jesus said it is finished and they will launch into some sophistry regarding vagueness or ambiguity of the declaration, knowing but choosing to ignore that Jesus was there on that Cross for a single Universe shaking purpose, not to fulfill part of some vagueness. Looming there before them all the time is the simplest action God could desire from them, to just say thank you, Jesus, and receive the bounty in God's Promises. But their pride and selfishness will not accept even so Great a Promise.

Someone should write a book listing the many lines of lies used to reject so Great a Promise, so great a witness, so great a Heavenly offer, and include the 'why' for the foolishness in each argument. ... Oops, there are such books already, including the bible stories, yet still 'they' spit in God's face now.

816 posted on 06/01/2015 11:10:52 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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