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To: redleghunter
"So indeed by what I am seeing from you and others, is a claim there are two classes of ekklesia. One of kingdom and one of grace." No and No siree. IF you read carefully, slowly, you will see that we are telling you it is Grace which causes The Holy Spirit to descend, for the reaction occurring in the heart of listeners, even as Peter preached the coming, frustrated Kingdom. The ONE operant condition for the Holy Spirit seal is believing in the heart that Jesus IS the Christ and sent for our Salvation. That reality hit many listening to the Petrine sermon on Pentecost, as evidenced by the Holy Spirit descending into them. What was woven into the sermon and pricked in their hearts was God's Grace in Christ.

There are not two Gospels, there were two methods by which the hearts of listeners were pricked, stabbed in their hearts by the same point that Jesus is Whom God had sent for their Salvation. At first, preaching to Jews, Peter's preaching of the kingdom come stirred the belief by which God seals the believer. With the preaching from Paul, God had him go straight to the essence of That Grace of God in Christ, leaving the kingdom frustrated in the dust on the road to Famascus. But the seventieth week of Daniel is yet to arrive, and it will arrive, you may be sure of that because God does not lie.

554 posted on 05/27/2015 11:18:07 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: MHGinTN; smvoice
No and No siree. IF you read carefully, slowly, you will see that we are telling you it is Grace which causes The Holy Spirit to descend, for the reaction occurring in the heart of listeners, even as Peter preached the coming, frustrated Kingdom. The ONE operant condition for the Holy Spirit seal is believing in the heart that Jesus IS the Christ and sent for our Salvation. That reality hit many listening to the Petrine sermon on Pentecost, as evidenced by the Holy Spirit descending into them. What was woven into the sermon and pricked in their hearts was God's Grace in Christ.

You must have missed smvoice's comments on two different ways of salvation. The one on Pentecost being one of water baptism and repentance for Jews and then for Gentiles the gospel of Grace.

559 posted on 05/27/2015 11:48:54 AM PDT by redleghunter (1 Peter 1:3-5)
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