[CynicalBear]

>>H.A. Ironside, who is a tradtional dispensationalist along the lines of Ryrie and Walvoord took issue with ultra-dispensationalism.<<

We're interested in what scripture says NOT what Ironside, Ryrie, or Wolvoord have said. So let's just stay out of the bushes and rabbit trials.

>>Thus my continued questioning to some here asking 'when' this shift from kingdom gospel to gospel of grace happened. Which I will note has not been addressed.<<

It most certainly has been answered and in multiple ways. The fact that you evidently don't recognize the answer is not out problem.

[redleghunter]

We're interested in what scripture says NOT what Ironside, Ryrie, or Wolvoord have said. So let's just stay out of the bushes and rabbit trials.

The position of two different gospels one of repentance and baptism and one of grace was the position of Bullinger and what distinguished him from other dispensationalists. That matters in the discussion as these views do not happen in a vacuum.

It most certainly has been answered and in multiple ways. The fact that you evidently don't recognize the answer is not out problem.

No one answered if the Jewish believers on Pentecost were saved by grace? Yes or no will do.