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To: Zuriel
Yes, I understand what you're saying, Zuriel. And it perfectly makes the point of dispensationalism. Paul says there is NOW ONE BAPTISM. Show me how the Holy Spirit baptizing believers (spiritual baptism, Eph. 4:5) into the Body of Christ and water baptism are ONE baptism. They are not. And indeed John the Baptist, Christ, Peter and the 11, and Paul, in the beginning of his ministry practiced water baptism. And it WAS "for the remission of sins". But something changed when Israel was blinded and set aside. The dispensation of law was replaced by the dispensation of the grace of God. Water baptism was required in the dispensation of law. Paul was saved in that dispensation of the law and took the Gentiles and believing Jews into the dispensation of grace. He also circumcised Timothy, but he did not preach circumcision. Circumcision and water baptism (washings) were both ordinances of the law. And both were nailed to His cross, as they both were against us, and contrary to us. That's why there is NOW ONE.

I probably did not explain this very well. It's late for me and I'm sure I'm not making myself clear. Sorry! :)

47 posted on 05/22/2015 8:34:18 PM PDT by smvoice ("Now is the accepted time; now is the day of salvation" 2Cor. 6:2)
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To: smvoice

Actually, you did great.

You explained that very clearly.


92 posted on 05/23/2015 7:53:21 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: smvoice

**Paul says there is NOW ONE BAPTISM.**

You’re indicating that Jesus Christ’s commissions (at the end of the gospels) were short lived, as well as his instructions for rebirth to Nicodemas (there is ONE rebirth).

Many regard Paul to be the writer of Hebrews, considered by the experts (whoever thay were) to be written two years after the epistle to the Ephesians, which says “of the ‘doctrine of baptisms”: “and this we will do, if God permit”.

Remember that Paul was reminding born again believers of the gospel, otherwise he wouldn’t be saying in Heb. 6:1-3:

“Therefore LEAVING the principals of the doctrine of Christ, let us GO ON TO PERFECTION, not LAYING AGAIN the FOUNDATION of (1)repentance from dead works, (2)and of faith toward God, (3)Of the doctrine of baptisms, (4)and the laying on of hands, (5)and of resurrection of the dead, (6)and of eternal judgement. And this we will do if God permit.” (added the numbers in parentheses)

So, of the things that I listed numerically, you would only remove the plural ‘s’ from ‘baptisms’?


99 posted on 05/23/2015 9:01:56 AM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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