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What do you do with Revelation 20:14. There are only two deaths mentioned in scripture.

You're losing me here...Moses died as was resurrected...He will die a 2nd time and be resurrected a 2nd time...Enoch did not die but was resurrected...He will die once and be resurrected the 2nd time...

We need a good definition of death and resurrection. If you don't die, you do not need a resurrection. Thus the dead are raised and the living are changed.

Apparently you are basing your argument on the Rapture is not a resurrection...

While the bible doesn't say anything about it, I don't see how we could be Raptured without going thru something that resembles death...As you said, we are going to be changed...Changed into what???

We will be in the spiritual kingdom of God...We have no need of blood or flesh...And since we won't need blood, we won't even need a heart or lungs...To me and those around me the Rapture is a resurrection...And what do I base that on???

When the Rapture takes place are the live people going to meet the dead people in the air, or are those that come up out of the graves going to be alive when they meet the Lord???

Those alive when they meet the Lord are going to have 'resurrection bodies' just the same as those coming out of the graves...

I have no problem at all calling the Rapture a resurrection...

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>> “Changed into what???” <<

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Changed into the spiritual body like Yeshua’s that he described to Nicodemus. A body that can move invisibly like the wind, and go through walls.

But after the 1000 years are up there will be no more walls to go through. The temporal-material universe will be gone. It will “depart from his face for there is found no place for it.”

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>> “Those alive when they meet the Lord are going to have ‘resurrection bodies’ just the same as those coming out of the graves” <<

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Absolutely!

That is what Yeshua told Nicodemus; you must be born again into a body that exists in the realm of God, in order to see the kingdom of God.

Apparently you are basing your argument on the Rapture is not a resurrection...

Not exactly. Resurrection is for dead people. We who are alive and remain will not be resurrected unless we die in the process. I suppose it's possible that the "change" could involve death. It does say that this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality but no mention of death.

We will be in the spiritual kingdom of God...We have no need of blood or flesh

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

I just wanted to point out that Christ's resurrected body had flesh and bones and maybe blood.

Let me try to clarify. Scripture speaks of just two births, two deaths and mentions a first resurrection. There is no mention of a second resurrection but it is inferable. This is a trinity and the order is always the same. You must be born before you can die and die before you can be resurrected. Also from 1 Corinthians 15:46, always put natural before spiritual. I decided to take this position and see where it leads. You need contradict an interpretation only once to prove it false, to prove it true you must show there are no contradictions, a much more difficult task

The first problem I came across is that I was taught that Adam died spiritually when he ate of the tree in the garden. Spiritual is not first. There are many other questions that arise but over time I like this interpretation more and more. But to your questions;

There are a number of people in the Bible who were raised from the dead. These are types and are prophetic in character. They all had something in common. They are all physical. Even the resurrection of the unjust at the great white throne is physical. But these people are not alive. "I saw the dead small and great stand before God." This it still the first death and the first resurrection. The second death hasn't happened yet - or has it?

Now consider Christ's death and resurrection. They are different. Here it would be nice to have a good definition if death and resurrection. We see what happens to the body but what of the soul and spirit. If physical death leaves us with questions, how much more difficult will it be to understand spiritual death. And resurrection, it appears to reverse death but there is also a change that accompanies it. And spiritual resurrection? Those who are not hurt of the second death will not need a spiritual resurrection and those who go to the lake of fire will not get one.

So, What is different about Christ? Besides being the first resurrection that is permanent, two things happened on the cross that were pertinent to this discussion. Christ was forsaken by the father, something that will never happen to us, and he dismissed the spirit. This leads me to wonder if his death was not merely physical. If this describes the second death then there would have been two resurrections on that first Easter morning. Christ said I have not yet ascended to the father. Natural then spiritual.

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