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To: Mrs.Z

Yes, God’s wrath is not placed on the believer (No Christian believes it will be).

What is at issue is WHAT portion of the Tribulation IS God’s Wrath, vs His permissive will in ALLOWING Satan to wreck havoc on the world.

BTW, God’s permissive will is already at work - we live in a fallen world. What keeps Satan in check is The Restrainer - which will be removed (there is chapter and verse for that, look it up).

Once God’s restraint is removed, things will get MUCH worse in the world.

Some people believe that the restrainer is God’s people on earth, and after the rapture, we will not be “salt and light” to the world. Others believe the restrainer is an operation of the Holy Spirit. Still others believe the restrainer is the natural fear of death. There are no definitive scriptures for any of these positions, so I don’t choose a side in that argument.

Mrs Z, will you read Daniel, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and the NT a couple of times, playing close attention to end time verses? Once you do so, you can form your own interpretation....

We are charged to be able to defend what we believe - this is done by KNOWING the scriptures involved. I grew up believing the same way most other 20th century Christians in America do — In a pre-trig rapture.

IMHO, when listening to those who preach Pre-Trib, it seems the main thrust is we won’t have to deal with the tough times because we will be gone (raptured).

However, after reading the scriptures, there are many holes and leaps of logic needed to place the rapture before the Tribulation.

To simply defend the pre-trib rapture timing by repeating over and over again that God will not place wrath on believers does NOT prove anything! Can you find where ti says the first half of the Tribulation is the wrath of God?
Or does he release those evil powers that have been restrained in the first half?

But Men would still rather curse God and die rather than admit there is a God - even during the first half of the Tribulation. (there is scripture for that too).

I wish you well — I am confident that God is good, and has nothing but good for us believers...but I am also confident that we need to examine the scriptures carefully for ourselves and be able to defend our positions from scripture.


122 posted on 05/23/2015 1:47:16 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: BereanBrain
To simply defend the pre-trib rapture timing by repeating over and over again that God will not place wrath on believers does NOT prove anything! Can you find where ti says the first half of the Tribulation is the wrath of God?

The tribulation prophecy period of Daniel is 7 years...Daniel knew nothing of the church...It is a Jewish prophecy for Jews...The 'church is not there...

That is not to say there won't be a limited Rapture in the middle of the tribulation...But it will not be the main harvest...It will be the gleanings...

The Resurrection has 3 parts...The first fruits, the harvest and then the gleanings...

157 posted on 05/23/2015 6:21:44 PM PDT by Iscool
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