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To: Steelfish
You said;

I "took issue" with Beckwith, by quoting him?

That is absurd.

The portion I was quoting from Beckwith refuted a central tenet of your own positions, not my own.

I was agreeing with him, as far as that went...

That should have been obvious.

Among that which you continued with, is this little bit of mind-reading/attributing of motive;

In other words?

No, there is no "in other words", as far as my own words went. Those other words are YOUR words, not my own.

One would have had to be a mind reader, or an actual prophet of God, to be able to "see" into myself in such way that you could attribute motive/mind read, etc., in the ways which you just did (as has been a long habit of yours for doing).

If yourself not claiming prophecy, or else having prophetic insight (you don't have it, at this juncture -- maybe some other time you may?) until then; refrain from attributing motive, mind reading, and the 'ol "in other words" wherein you try to put words into the mouths of others.

That sort of discussion/debate tactic leads to flame wars.

But hey, if that's all you've got, then I've already won this round, and will continue on course of my own long string of minor victories, for what those are worth (not all that much, in the larger scheme of things). It's like taking candy from a baby.

It is yourself who appears, or seems to be saying that Beckwith should not be trusted.

One need not follow Beckwith all the way to his own reverting back to Roman Catholicism, in order to rightfully enough quote him, in part, as for a narrower issue.

I was "trusting" Beckwith as far as his own estimation of the preaching aptitude of so-called Protestant evangelicals.

It appears to me that it is yourself who is being dismissive of Beckwith...

Here is what I was refuting, of your own words;

And here is your own witness, Francis Beckwith, testifying against that [quoted immediately above] statement of yours [underlining, bolding, and enlarging for emphasis, my own];

source=http://www.ncregister.com/site/article/2772

Obviously, Beckwith strongly disagrees with your own frequently repeated, and insulting estimations of "Protestant' scholarship.

I can agree with him, as far as that goes...

Yet, it is not fine philosophy and scholarship which can lead one to God, but His own drawing of a man (or woman) to Himself.

There truly is not other Way.

Even your own Church ecclesiastical association agrees with that estimation..well...at least since some time after the Protestant Reformation forced the issue(s), and considerations as for that (how one comes to the Lord -- not by their own will, but by the will of God) had to be re-aligned closer to the treatments of the subject as it is written, in Holy Scripture.

600 posted on 05/28/2015 3:58:35 AM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: BlueDragon

This Beckwith quote seems like many I’ve seen here on FR.

“Some of the hostility was not surprising, for some of it came from well-meaning Protestants who simply do not have a good grounding in Christian history or the Catholic Catechism. Many of these well-meaning folks, unfortunately, have sat under the teachings of less-than-careful Bible-church preachers and pastors who approach Catholicism with a cluster of flawed categories that make even a charitable reading of the Catechism almost impossible.”

Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/site/article/2772/#ixzz3bQumwMRf


607 posted on 05/28/2015 4:49:57 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Reagan conservative: All 3 Pillars)
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To: BlueDragon
The portion I was quoting from Beckwith refuted a central tenet of your own positions, not my own.

What you you expect from sophists who are compelled to defend Rome at any cost to credibility?

"...Catholics would do well to plumb these works, since in them Protestant evangelicals often provide the biblical and philosophical scaffolding that influenced the Church Fathers that developed the catholic creeds as well as the Church’s understanding of the Bible as God’s Word.

In terms of expository preaching, as well as teaching the laity, Protestant evangelicals are without peers in the Christian world.

are their faith with their neighbors, friends, etc. Works by evangelical philosophers and theologians such as [J.P.] Moreland, [Paul] Copan, and William Lane Craig, should be in the library of any serious Catholic who wants to be equipped to respond to contemporary challenges to the Christian faith. http://www.ncregister.com/site/article/277

Thanks. While some seek evangelical converts to Rome to enliven their pews (my former priest used to exhort us, "Sing like Protestants," other impugn them as being too influenced by their Protestant beliefs.

650 posted on 05/28/2015 3:01:42 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: BlueDragon
In terms of expository preaching, as well as teaching the laity, Protestant evangelicals are without peers in the Christian world.

Naw...that can't be what such an esteemed intellectual Roman Catholic revert would say about his abandoned faith "tradition"?! I wonder if those who prance him out to lead their parade ever actually read the guy's writings?

651 posted on 05/28/2015 3:06:15 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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