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To: Boogieman
"That’s what we are really arguing about. Not election or predestination, but absolutely predetermination, where free will in all matters is only an illusion."

It is fruitless (according to God's direction and apparently His plan) to argue with someone who will not acknowledge what the Scripture teaches. I set out a number of texts which conclusively tell you that God is managing your every move. Yes, what you had for breakfast. You argue back with philosophy...the same dead philosophy of unbelievers. There are dozens of episodes in the Scriptures describing God causing men to sin, but yet He remains innocent of sin. How does He do that? He is God. There is, according to Him, nothing unjust in Him. But, you are assessing His character according to rules you have established...not Him. I must go to work.

195 posted on 05/15/2015 8:30:28 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

“I set out a number of texts which conclusively tell you that God is managing your every move.”

No you didn’t. You quoted a few texts that you INTERPRET to mean that, and then ignored texts that I posted in response which contradict your interpretation. Don’t confuse your interpretation with the Word of God.

“You argue back with philosophy...”

No, you retreated from the Scriptures that I posted and began the philosophical argument yourself in post #178. If you want to go back to Scripture, then you’ll have to deal with the contradictory verses that you never answered, such as this one:

“16 For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world.”

1 John 2:16

According to you, God is causing everything we do, including sins, but according to that verse, those things are not from God. Can you explain the contradiction? If not, then your interpretation cannot be correct, for a proper hermeneutic doesn’t produce contradictions.


196 posted on 05/15/2015 12:26:05 PM PDT by Boogieman
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