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To: StormPrepper
>>Romans 11:11-24 says otherwise.<<

Romans 11 says no such thing. Israel is not the root and Gentiles did NOT replace branches or become part of the original branches. We have become part of Christ NOT part of Israel. God is not finished with political Israel. He is currently bringing them back to the land of promise and will deal with them during the last seven years of the 490 years promised them in Daniel's prophecies.

>>Well that's about a convenient and meaningless a statement as I've seen.<<

That doesn't surprise me. Thinking that all generations means every person in every generation would cause some confusion for sure.

>>The Israelites were in bondage for 400 years and did not have the word of God.<<

Didn't have God's word? Prove it.

>>The Jews were not seeking the Gospel after Jesus' death.<<

Were/are the Jews still looking for their Messiah or not?

>>The Jews aren't in a famine, they will reject Jesus until the very last.<<

Romans 11:26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, "THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB."

>>And again, they aren't seeking anything and never have.<<

Romans 11:7 What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened;

Did you even read the entire chapter cherry picked verses from?

>>who were grafted into to Israel and therefore apart of Israel are the Christians.<<

Gentiles aren't grafted into Israel. Israel is a branch NOT the tree. Christ is the root, the tree is faithful believers whether Jew or Gentile. The Gentile branches have been grafted in and the Israelites will once again be grafted back in during the time of Jacobs trouble aka the tribulation.

>>I have in the passed referred to<<

You can make up whatever story you want and refer to it but it ain't scripture so means nothing to me.

715 posted on 05/19/2015 5:48:37 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear
>The Israelites were in bondage for 400 years and did not have the word of God.<<

Didn't have God's word? Prove it.


I'm not doing your homework for you. Prove they did.

Lev 17
7 And they shall no more offer their sacrifices unto devils, after whom they have gone a whoring. This shall be a statute for ever unto them throughout their generations.


What portion of God's word taught them to sacrifice to devils?

Romans 11:7 What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened;

Did you even read the entire chapter cherry picked verses from?


You go and find a verse with the word "seeking" in it and then claim I'm cherry picking. lol

Gentiles aren't grafted into Israel. Israel is a branch NOT the tree.

Wrong. Go argue with the rest of Christianity. Google these words: "gentiles grafted into Israel". You should go spread your special kind of cheer to the rest of the evangelical community...because they disagree with you.

In case you find that unappealing, here's some links:

Gentiles grafted
Grafted
Grafted in
Gentiles grafted in

There are literally hundreds of resources among the trinitarians that disagree with you. Oh, but I doubt you're alone in your belief. I'm sure there's a healthy number that would help you battle those other Christians that read the Bible and came up with something completely different.

This is a perfect example of what Paul discussed in Ephesians 4.

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Christ gave apostles and prophets so the true Church would have unity of the faith and not be deceived by all the different doctrines that are false.

Some will argue there won't be anymore prophets, some will baptize babies, others will say priests shouldn't marry, some will say we shouldn't eat meat, some will say there isn't a church, some will say the gentiles aren't grafted into Israel, on and on....

2 Timothy 3:13
But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.


You can make up whatever story you want and refer to it but it ain't scripture so means nothing to me.

And that's just what the Pharisees said to Jesus.

Rev 11 poses a real dilemma for you huh? Before the second coming of Christ two real prophets that have stood before God. They are going to prophesy and do what prophets do, which is correct false doctrine and relay instructions from God to the people.

The moment they contradict you, you will call them false prophets, won't you?

I mean you have all the "Word of God" you're willing to accept and you reject all others, right?

If you reject a true prophet you reject the God who sent him. So says Jesus Christ. And you can't get around this eternal law.

Wow, Rev 11 is like a ticking time bomb for you huh?
716 posted on 05/19/2015 8:18:57 AM PDT by StormPrepper
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