What Is The Brown Scapular

Eternal Life Blog ^ | August 29,2014 | Eternal life

[Mark17]

Scripture is silent on that. Some mysteries belong to God alone

Indeed that is true. That is why I said it was speculation, and not to be worried about. Now, I ask you. Are there any other people in the world, who build religions on speculation?

[ealgeone]

Without quibbling further over the definition of “allegory”, it is interesting that you have “no reply to this statement (all of the Old Testament genocide, slavery, rape and torture) that has no support in the New Testament.”

There's nothing to quibble about. Your definition was wrong.

I did address your comment regarding the OT on genocide, slavery, etc.

YOU: And if you insist on literal fundamentalism, isn’t there all of the Old Testament genocide, slavery, rape and torture to reinstate?

>>ME: Wow...I have no reply to this statement that has no support in the New Testament. <<

There is nothing in the NT to suggest any of this would/should be reinstated. In fact, you're the first person I've encountered who has suggested this.

Not sure what your background is but it has a different understanding of the NT than mine for sure.

[roamer_1]

I'm here resting (?) from mowing down about 4 acres of grass.

Don't your jaws hurt?

[editor-surveyor]

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Scripture is not silent on the definition of sin (transgression of Torah) and since an infant cannot transgress a law they’ve not received, I believe that they’ve nothing to worry about.

I think we kicked this around here about a dozen years ago or so.
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[editor-surveyor]

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Moo!
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[Elsie]

Had they already bloomed for that season?

[Elsie]

You make that up by your ownself?

Me?

Plagiarist Boy??

[Elsie]

Which ones?

[Elsie]

She loves you, Elsie.

Sorry; but the Book says she doesn't even know I exist.

Ecclesiastes 9:1-6

1 But all this I laid to heart, examining it all, how the righteous and the wise and their deeds are in the hand of God. Whether it is love or hate, man does not know; both are before him.

2 It is the same for all, since the same event happens

to the righteous and the wicked,

to the good and the evil,

to the clean and the unclean,

to him who sacrifices and him who does not sacrifice.

As the good one is, so is the sinner, and

he who swears is as he who shuns an oath.

 

3 This is an evil in all that is done under the sun, that the same event happens to all. Also, the hearts of the children of man are full of evil, and madness is in their hearts while they live, and after that they go to the dead. 4 But he who is joined with all the living has hope, for a living dog is better than a dead lion.

5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished, and forever they have no more share in all that is done under the sun.

[Religion Moderator]

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

[Elsie]

Because being involved in disrespecting Our Lady, whether you believe She's the Immaculate Conception or not, is not Christian, hence, not Conservative.

I'll 'disrespect' Rome's lady all day long; and she'll do NOTHING about it.

GOD is not gonna zap me for it and your veiled threats to me about it are not having any effect.

[Religion Moderator]

Do not infer that a poster has posted a lie, that implies motive and if a form of making it personal.

[Elsie]

To a non-RC like me, I see no support in the Bible for the wearing of brown scapulars. It sounds very much like an amulet or something. some kind of pagan occultism? Like the magic underwear of the Mormons...whose founder was very much into pagan occultism, by the way.

Now now...

You'll upset our FR Mormons and they won't donate any more!

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[Elsie]

...whose founder was very much into pagan occultism, by the way.

You SURELY cannot be thinking of a JUPITER Talisman...

Could you??

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"When properly invoked, with Jupiter being very powerful and ruling in the heavens, these intelligences - by the power of ancient magic - guaranteed to the possessor of this talisman the gain of riches, and favors, and power, and love, and peace; and to confirm honors, and dignities, and councils. Talismatic magic further declared that any one who worked skillfully with this Jupiter Table would obtain the power of stimulating anyone to offer his love to the possessor of the talisman, whether from a friend, brother, relative, or even any female."

 

Source: Dr. Reed C. Durham Jr., "Is There No Help For The Widow's Son?",

President's Address given at The Mormon History Association Convention, Nauvoo Hotel, Nauvoo, Illinois, 20 April, 1974.

 "Is There No Help For The Widow's Son?"

"And in some very real and quite mysterious sense, this particular Table of Jupiter was the most appropriate talisman for Joseph Smith to possess."

Source: As above

Note: At the time of his speach, Reed C. Durham was the Director of the L.D.S. Institute of Religion at the University of Utah.

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h93x48xbOg8&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div

http://mormoncurtain.com/topic_josephsmith_seerstones_section1.html

[Elsie]

Can you get Mormon magic underwear at Sears?

Here ya go...

Get a grain of salt ready...

http://www.millennialstar.org/lds-church-releases-video-about-temple-clothing-and-garments-including-photos/

[Elsie]

A talisman is an object which is believed to contain certain magical or sacramental properties...

Indeed!

http://www.tldm.org/News19/PowerOfTheRosary.htm

[Elsie]

A Talisman supposedly has great powers.

DAY-o!

Yeah; he counts how many bananas you've picked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMigXnXMhQ4

[Lonely Bull]

There is plenty of scripture on genocide, rape, torture and such; far too much to list - literally thousands of morally questionable references. You just have to have your own moral compass, guided by the principles of Christian teaching, rather than by literal adherence to every word.

I am reminded of a 2012 post written by an Antiochian Orthodox priest during that Chik-Fil-A affair.

Using the Bible Against Christians: Sola Scriptura Atheism

It has some advice to "sola scriptura atheists" about how not to use the Bible, and this advice, among other things, is based on the idea that the Bible is properly read within an authoritative "interpretive community."

What is "sola scriptura atheism," though? It's found in one set of responses to the idea of "the biblical definition of the family unit":

Perhaps you saw it, too: We were treated to a trotting-out of biblical polygamists, rapists, provisions of levitical law that require a widow to marry her husband’s brother, et cetera, ad nauseam. A-ha! There’s “biblical” for you! Look at all those sorry miscreants in the Bible, presenting an image of marriage and family life that would make the chicken-and-pickle-chomping Christian suburbanite shudder! Ha! We got ’em! And while we’re at it, let’s also mention that God hates shrimp, that God starts wars, and so on. The idea, of course, is to delegitimize the Bible or at least to claim that people who follow the “biblical” model of this or that are ignoring vast portions of Scripture to suit their own purposes.

What struck me about all this is that these atheists and various other assorted anti-Christians were reading the Bible essentially as sola scriptura fundamentalists. In essence, they presume to claim that their own reading of the Bible is the only possible one, that their reading is also quite obvious (perspicuity), and that the Bible is the sole basis for Christian doctrine, life and legitimacy. If the Bible can be made unpalatable even to Christians, then it just shows that the whole Christian enterprise is bunk.

And, true to form, I saw plenty of sola scriptura Protestants arguing with these atheist fundamentalists on exactly the same grounds. The exchanges just got shriller and shriller, with each side claiming that the other must be stupid, evil or uneducated, which is what brought about their fallacious reading of the Bible.

As his view is not necessarily my view, no one should assume that I am his mouthpiece and reply accordingly. For example, I would've used different wording for his characterization of "sola scriptura." But I noticed some things of interest and relevance here. (I don't follow that site and didn't find his piece until this year. Although I don't remember the precise search terms, I actually found this piece after doing a search occasioned by a FR thread.)

[Elsie]

...the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation...

Any beginning bible student KNOWs that she 'gave' nothing to the ANGEL that TOLD her what was going to happen to her.

[Elsie]

If anyone lets loose the cords of his mind and just goes bananas bonkers crazy!

GMTA...

...somewhere down in the recesses...