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To: paladinan; kosciusko51
In fact, I see at least one quote from that document which says the very opposite:

In fact, you probably did not get the quote from reading the document, but from googling, as the text is quite clear what Augustine is saying here. He says quite clearly in a number of writings that Grace is not given according to merit-- that is, human merit. Rather, Augustine's position is that Grace is given for Grace, which is what he affirms a few sentences lower from this quotation. "[G]race is not rendered to works, but is given freely, it must be confessed without any doubt, that eternal life is called grace for the reason that it is rendered to those merits which grace has conferred upon man. Because that saying is rightly understood which in the gospel is read, "grace for grace,"[ 1]--that is, for those merits which grace has conferred."

In other words, the Christian is he who "shows mercy" because God moves him to be merciful, and then crowns his own gifts. The grace that is given to Christians to make them merciful is given without regard to human merit, whether forseen or otherwise, or without foresight of the human will. Rather, this grace works to give men a good will and mercy.

As for the location of the quote in question.... after reading through the whole book again I realized it was not there, and upon further searching I realize now I have put the wrong citation. It is, in fact, from a letter, and the correct citation is: August. ad Bonifac. Ep. 106.

41 posted on 05/08/2015 1:39:40 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
In fact, you probably did not get the quote from reading the document, but from googling, as the text is quite clear what Augustine is saying here.

...followed by:

As for the location of the quote in question.... after reading through the whole book again I realized it was not there, and upon further searching I realize now I have put the wrong citation. It is, in fact, from a letter, and the correct citation is: August. ad Bonifac. Ep. 106.

So... is the latter comment your version of saying, "Oops, my bad... maybe you actually HAVE the document in your library after all (instead of "probably" Googling it), and my apologies for giving the wrong citation"?

I need to dash, for now; I'll address your other points when I have a free moment, but re: your assertion that St. Augustine thought that Scripture "was the arbiter of disputes" (without any qualifiers to your view), have you read the quote from St. Augustine that I gave in Comment #2?
49 posted on 05/08/2015 3:09:04 PM PDT by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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