Posted on 05/02/2015 9:53:03 AM PDT by ebb tide
The Catholic church never works for conversions. There are people who misunderstand the mission of Christians, especially of the Catholic church, said Cardinal Mar George Alenchery, the major archbishop of Syro Malabar Church.
The major archbishop, who is on a pastoral visit to the diocese of Belthangady till May 5, said, "Conversion is a personal response of a person to God. Nobody can force or coerce a person. The church witnesses the charity of Christ and proclaims Christian valuestruth, justice, love and harmonyto others. This attracts people. It is not something which we create, it is something they (people) request.
"Evangelization is not converting people. Actually conversion is not a business of a pastor or missionary. Conversion happens in the mind of a person while listening to the word of God. Ghar Wapsi is too simple a reaction to a complex problem," he added.
The archbishop said his pastoral visit is to maintain a contact with the clergy, laity and an occasion to rejuvenate the energies of those engaged in the work of church. ``A pastoral visit helps the bishop to evaluate the effectiveness of the structures and agencies designed for pastoral services, take account of the circumstances and difficulties and determine more accurately the priorities,'' he said adding this was the 16th year of the establishment of Belthangady as a diocese.
The archbishop visited St Alphonsa Forane Church, Kankanady, where he was met Mangalore diocese bishop Aloysius Paul D'Souza, bishop of Belthangady Mar Lawrence Mukkuzhy and vicar general Fr Joseph Valiaparambil among others.
A religious harmony meet was also held on Bishop's House Campus in Belthangady on Friday. Religious leaders Sri Kshetra Dharmastala dharmadhikari D Veerendra Heggade, Kukke Sri Narasimha Mutt seer Sri Vidyaprasanna Thirtha Swamiji, Maulana Abdul Aziz, Union minister for law and justice D V Sadananda Gowda, ministers B Ramanath Rai, Vinaykumar Sorake, U T Khader and MP Nalin Kumar Kateel were present.
Sorry, I should have pinged you on my last post. It appears that certain Catholics don’t see conversions for the Church as the same thing as conversions for God. They are confused and it isn’t any wonder. Vatican II and the post Vatican II popes have certainly confused many on the need to convert others to the one true faith.
False ecumenicism. Oh I want to go looking for some way to doubt the pope Vatican II and the whole 200 years of the church Jesus founded
So I can run around trying to convince others to reject it? You think people like you aren’t all over the place so disquiet they’re never satisfied letting people be. They have to snarl their doubts and fears constantly
A tip about working to convert people that negativism doesn’t attract a lot of people
Be gone
ok bro, no response to my last. i guess we’re closing.
i reviewed the thread to see if there’s anything you said that i’ve missed. aside from the argument from authority, i basically get the following.
teaching, leading and converting are not the same thing according to you as lead by the teaching of the Catholic Church. ok. i can study that further in Scripture.
the other remaining issue for me is your accusation that i’m guilty of the sin of pride in this matter.
well bro. after some self-examination, i’ve think i may have been guilty of feeling both vexed and superior to you in the heat of the debate. i’m sorry for that and ask your forgiveness and God’s as well.
in terms of pride against God or pride against the Catholic Church or it’s members. no, i really don’t think so. i have a lot of love and respect for catholics (e.g., my personal friends, and theologians/historians like Aquinas, Daniel-Rop, Benedict, etc.).
‘eaching, leading and converting are not the same thing according to you...’
Eh, according to the dictionary
Do you believe that the Catholic Church is Gods Church? Working for conversions for the Catholic Church = working for conversions for God.
You are a product of the Vatican II politically correct, false ecumenical theology..so much so that you don't even realize it. Rather than seeking the truth, you prefer to call those who recognize the changes in the Church as "negative" and "snarly".
I get it. I once didn't want to accept the fact that there are major issues with Vatican II. I once had my head in the sand too. But I didn't make it a practice of attacking those I didn't want to listen to and telling them to "be gone".
ok bro. we’ll let that be the last word. may God bless.
No problem. Anybody who mistakes papal assassins, and thinks Jesus only founded a 200 year old Church, must be very confused.
And I don’t think any pope, who formerly as an archbishop knelt before heretics and sought their “blessing”, who now, as Pope, kneels on Holy Thursdays to wash the feet of infidels, but does not kneel at the Consecration of the Body and Blood of Christ, nor kneel at Eucharist Adoration is a very good example for “confused Catholics” to become less confused.
Good point. Another example of a confused person.
Anybody who can’t let an argument go. An argument wit a 2000 year old institution founded by Christ, after three days ...
Can you not complete one full sentence?
Complete sentence? If course not I’m writing from a phone - charging around riding shotgun
I have a life
I recommend it
I am not going over to your anti Catholicism so I’ll let u have last word but I’m not going over to your way of thinking
Francis’ latest in false ecumenism ...brought to you by Vatican II’s decree on ecumenism, Unitatis Redintegratio”.
In clear contrast to Pius XI’s “Mortalium Animos”...again.
You will have to find your pius X recruit elsewhere. Not interested. Never have been
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