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To: RnMomof7

Martin Luther

“I confess that I cannot forbid a person to marry several wives, for it does not contradict the Scripture. If a man wishes to marry more than one wife he should be asked whether he is satisfied in his conscience that he may do so in accordance with the word of God. In such a case the civil authority has nothing to do in the matter.”

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Martin Luther (attributed to him)

The Bible is the ultimate rule of faith. (This tradition is not found in the Bible)

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The Bible tells us that the “ignorant and unstable” twist the Scriptures to their own destruction.

The Bible calls the church “the pillar and foundation of truth,” and Jesus tells us that His Church is the ultimate rule of faith.”

“If he won’t listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector.” —Jesus


759 posted on 05/01/2015 4:41:34 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
“If he won’t listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector.” —Jesus

And again to correct the error you seem to be spinning your wheels in.....

This passage is not a blanket order to obey the leadership of any church which claims that it alone is the one true church.

It is at the end of a discourse addressing how to handle disputes in the body.

It lays out very specifically the steps one is to go through in resolving personal conflict within the body.

Matthew 18:15-20 “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church.

And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.”

NOWHERE does Jesus command us to "listen to the church".

The comment is *IF he does not listen to the church, then......*

That is a gross misinterpretation of the passage to claim or imply that it is a standing order of Jesus to listen to the Catholic church.

The clear meaning is here for everyone to see. It's dealing with disputes among believers, not absolute authority given to *the Church*.

838 posted on 05/01/2015 2:29:44 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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