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To: paladinan
Really? I thought it was a collection of COVENANTS [...]

What do you think a covenant is?

Covenant

n.noun

1.) A binding agreement; a compact.

2.) A condition in a contract such as a deed or lease, nonperformance or violation of which gives rise to a cause of action for breach.

3.) A contract.

4.) In the Bible, a divine promise establishing or modifying God's relationship to humanity or to a particular group.

5.) One of the agreements supported by a Covenanter.

v.verb

1.) To promise by a covenant.

2.) To enter into a covenant.

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[...] interspersed with historical accounts, poetry, apocalyptic literature, prophecies, and loads of other things. Are you quite serious, trying to reduce the Bible to nothing more than a "series of contracts"?

Yes, that is precisely what it is, in a legal sense - a series of contracts with supporting documents.

Um... FRiend... this is sounding more confused by the minute. A contract, so called, is not binding unless one signs it.

No, technically, it is binding upon the ones WHO sign it (or the verbal equivalent).

Examples:

If we agree I owe you $100 and I sign an IOU, You may collect upon that signed document in the court, without having signed it yourself.

Several of the contracts are declaratory or promissory... An IOU: Agreement between the parties is incidental... The Adamic, Edenic, Noahdic Aaronic, and Davidic, all declaratory, and binding only upon YHWH.

Several are Life and Death - sealed in blood (blood oaths, the offender must die):

the Abrahamic - Walking through the halves: Only YHWH walked through the halves. Abraham was asleep. Binding only upon YHWH
the Mosaic (Law clause) - Sealed in the sprinkling of blood, agreed to by Israel and broken... But YHWH has promised to fulfill it in their favor anyway: Now binding only upon YHWH.
The Messianic (Redeemer clause) - Sealed in the sprinkling of Yeshua's blood (not ours) - Gentiles added in - It is Yeshua's to do with as he wishes, again binding upon YHWH.

Several are marriage ketubahs (contracts): signed, and sealed by wine:

Main Israeli (Mosaic Bride clause) - still in effect through Judah (until death of Yeshua?).
Judaic (Mosaic Bride clause - Amended after Judah/Israel split) - still in effect. Judah has never been divorced (but may now have been widowed). Now binding ??
Ephraimic (Mosaic Bride clause - Amended after Judah/Israel split) - Divorced: But YHWH has promised to take her back, against Torah prohibition. Now binding only upon YHWH
Messianic (Bride clause) - After death of Yeshua, both Judah and Ephraim are free to remarry - Binding of the two sticks, eligibility of return for Ephraim. Israel is once again, one wife.

Two are Wills (declaratory witnessed oath)

Israel's Tribal Paternal Inheritance - Oath is prophetic, YHWH is the Testator.
Messianic (Inheritance clause) - Yeshua is the Testator.
*BOTH require the death of the Testator to be discharged. (that's what wills do)*

If we were (hypothetically) "not signers" of the contract, then we would not be bound by it. What, exactly, are you trying to say, here?

The blood oaths are not 'signed' by you - Hence Grace. Technically, what you have 'signed, or agreed to, are in three aspects:

Adoption into Israel.
A Discipleship to a Rabbi. You are a Talmidi, joined to his assembly of Talmidim, bound to walk in His footsteps.
A Bridal Ketubah. You are betrothed.

It would be in your interest to understand how these things work.

[roamer_1:] Then y'all better get back to keeping Torah - Every bit of it.

Er... could you please explain WHY, given that Jesus fulfilled the Old Covenant completely [...]

Tell me how the Fall Feasts have been fulfilled. Tell me how the Inheritance has been discharged... Tell me how the promises to Ephraim are fulfilled. It is not 'all fulfilled' (not even mentioning the prophets).

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

'Destroy' and 'Fulfill' are rabbinic terms... Maybe you should know what they mean.

[...]and dispensed us from the non--core-moral Mitzvot of the OT [...]

There is no such thing. The Mitzvot cannot be divided. Cannot be added to, nor taken from. Rather, it is argued, Torah cannot be divided. To keep Torah is to Keep Torah.

Your statement doesn't logically follow from anything I said, at all.

Well, if it is not by Grace alone, your salvation is at least in part necessarily works. 'Works' is shortahand for 'Works of the Law' or 'Works of Torah'. 'Works' IS keeping Torah.

674 posted on 04/30/2015 1:47:49 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1

On these threads, everytime I see a post by you, or daniel1212, or Elsie, or Cynical Bear, or one or two others that have skipped the shortterm memory of this old man, I pause to digest a savory mental meal of Bible study. Thanks for the work you do.


679 posted on 04/30/2015 2:00:24 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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