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To: paladinan

Sorry, guess you do not understand y’all. I did not single you out. So get over yourself. I have read comments by many Catholics on this site and some are very hateful and wrong. Nowhere in the Bible does it say to pray to either Mary or saints. Maccabees is not in the Bible for a reason, so try again.


467 posted on 04/29/2015 3:18:52 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: MamaB

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Maccabees does not tell us to pray to any human, dead or alive.

The Maccabees books are some of the most revealing history ever written, but they are in no way doctrinal.

It is the books of the Maccabees that demonstrate that no Jewish believer ever spoke Greek or Aramaic as their primary language. That is an important thing to know when trying to maintain the continuity of the scriptures, moving into NT writings.
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471 posted on 04/29/2015 3:35:54 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: MamaB; Religion Moderator; editor-surveyor
Sorry, guess you do not understand y’all. I did not single you out. So get over yourself.

All right... I wasn't going to make this an issue, but you pressed the point.

Had you said, in your previous comment, "Catholics don't care for the Bible as much as [etc.]", then that would be general enough not to be considered "mind-reading" and "making it personal". But you used direct address of forum members ("y'all") when you claimed that you "have the impression" that we "do not care for the Bible as much as [our] traditions such as praying to Mary", which is (by forum rules) "mind-reading"--a claim to know what's in the heard and/or mind of another FReeper; it's also "making it personal", since it abandons discussion of the ISSUES in order to talk about the alleged shortcomings of PEOPLE who are commenting on this forum. That's a no-no. The distinction is the RM's... not mine; and he's made it quite clear, numerous times, on this forum.

I have read comments by many Catholics on this site and some are very hateful and wrong.

Then feel free to take it up with them. Unless you're including me in that number, I'm not sure why you'd bring that up in a conversation with me. My original comment, to which you started in with the comments about behavior of Catholics, was focused on editor-surveyor's comment, "Why don’t catholics 'know stuff?'" Comments like that are silly and arrogant, since they do nothing but imply that Catholics "don't know stuff"... which is absurd on its face. If you ever find a Catholic saying anything arrogant and/or out of line to you, feel free to point it out with them. But unless/until *I*, personally, do so, I'm not sure why I should catch any of your "return fire".

Nowhere in the Bible does it say to pray to either Mary or saints.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say to restrict yourself to the Bible alone; and nowhere in the Bible does it ever teach salvation/justification "by faith alone"... but that doesn't stop Protestants from swallowing those two bits of nonsense... hook, line, and sinker. Those who object to Catholic practices really do need to live up to their own standards. (And since Catholics reject the nonsensical and unbiblical idea of "Bible alone", we're not doing anything wrong by following things which aren't explicitly in the Biblical text. Why should we follow a silly, man-made standard conjured up by Martin Luther?)

Maccabees is not in the Bible for a reason, so try again.

It's not in the Protestant fragment of the complete Bible... but it's in the Bible, and it HAS been in the Bible since before the time of Christ (the Septuagint was finished in roughly 50 B.C.).
610 posted on 04/30/2015 8:26:39 AM PDT by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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